Mob Hunt fascism

[Jiola]

Hello english speaking Lich community,

I'm here to "solve" a problem, which you seem to have with some people on this server, due to the "bad behaviour" of a few of us. It's related to your "rules" you set in your Linkshells for hunting mobs, which we never got requested to accept, nor accepted.


When you find a mob, always someone shouts out, when the pull will happen and some of our FC (5 people in total on around maybe 5-10 B mobs) pulled earlier, than your self-righteous "leader" shouted, the defamation started....

"F!ck you, son of a b!tch"
"I hope you'll die, m!therf!cker"
"Go f!ck yourself"

are just a few examples of the whispers, I received.

Next to these socially overskilled whispers, there were several shouts, defaming NaHa, what a bunch of f!ckers we are etc. etc. etc.

This is, what happened from noon to afternoon... In the evening things got even worse, when some of our FC members just came online after their day at work, got threatened to leave our FC or getting kicked out of their "let's raid a primal, sometimes together"-Linkshells (so no static raid group, just some raid interested people in it), set to blacklists and partly even get insults, too...

To clear the situation, I want to explain it to you all: A "B-Mob" is a mob... As a bug in Gridania, as a Morbol in Mor Dhona... It's simply a mob. Accessable for anyone to kill it... That's what we did yesterday. There are no and there never have been any rules, how to kill a bloody, tiny outdoor mob, that has a quite quick respawn ever. So if you need 5-10 minutes to make it to a positiion, that gets posted in your linkshell and the mob is dead, then it's your own problem. Be quicker, it's possible and it's not hard... Usually there's no longer way, than ~1 minute from any port stone to get there.

Furthermore we got blamed for pulling mobs we didn't pull at all (as mentioned above, we've probably pulled 5-10 mobs in total - next to all these you didn't even find with your linkshell and we've killed 'alone' inbetween) and got insulted and defamed again and again...

So with this post, I want to appeal to the rest of your social sanity, to stop insulting me or any other FC member of NaHa. It's okay, if you blacklist me or the other few involved in the "early pulls", just go for it, but other members of NaHa have nothing to do with that and there is no need to blacklist and / or insult anyone you've made good experiences with, by raiding Leviathan ex or T6 or anything together, whom you've added to your raiding linkshell etc.
If you need the names of the 5 people involved, gimme a whisper (as long as you're not on my blacklist, after all these insults 'n stuff) and I'll give you the names of the people involved in these "early pulls of a B mob", so you can blacklist them altogether.

To explain you, WHY we pull earlier, than your "most important shout guy" is simple: Usually, as it seems, you wait like 5-10 minutes until "everyone" has told "everyone" to come there, to TRY to hit a mob with one cast, in hope to get at least 1 or probably 5 seals from it, within a second. In the time you are waiting for the whole server to arrive their, finish their retainers, dungeons, pvp or whatever, we usually killed another B mob or 2. It's not time-efficient and, as everyone of you, we just want to get the seals and myth tomes quickly in the time we have to play this game (next to raiding, crafting and all the other stuff). Next to that, I have to mention, that we've not been the first and not the only ones, who pulled a mob too early, before your "LS-Fuhrer" announced the pull and this happened way more often than "our" 5-10 times of an early pull.

Next to that I want to mention something personally: I have NEVER been part of any of your hunting Linkshells and I don't intend to become part of your fascist LS anyways. I don't need to be part of a group that behaves like that. But I still don't run around and yell "Don't join LS XYZ, they're fascist and rude children".

I hope, when you realize that in the time you spend waiting, you could have killed 3 more B mobs or even one or another A mob, you'll get over it and start realizing, that insulting people for attacking a random outdoor mob is not the right way.

So well, that's my 2 cent to this whole story... Imo you just should kill B mobs in your hunting GROUP and announce A and S mobs to your Linkshells and you would've probably made the same amount of seals in half the time.

Happy hunting



Jiola Jezmen

[Jiola]

Well, i was here yesterday, and i see what's happen;
Maybe, if you don't come when 30 guys say "wait people for start", for pull before, and this during all the day and for a lot of elite, and say "ahahah" on all chat, maybe all serv don't hate you xD
I'm not sure, but i think !

We didn't laugh at anyone... we were waiting for our group to appear and pulled, yes... only on those tiny B mobs and we usually waited for around 1-2 minutes (on the mentioned 5-10 pulls WE did). It's also not a problem, that people now "hate me" for not waiting for the whole server to appear to a tiny B mob, but for threatening and insulting people, who haven't even been playing, when I pulled... This is just pathetic and infantile...

[Siane]

Hi there.

I understand what u mean by "instead of waiting u could have killed 3 more B mobs", really, I do, in fact, u're right about it. The thing is, we are on a MMORPG, where people are supposed to help each other (a lot may have forgotten this fact but there it is), that's why these LS were created, so that everyone could hunt and get something. Someone decided there would be a pull time, there's nothing fascist or whatever in this, it's just a way to warn people that it'll be pulled at this moment, u'll have the time to get here and that's cool, or u won't make it and go somewhere else look for another mob. This is a way to stop losing time dude. There's nothing more sad than running through the map to get to the boss and see it die one minute before the pull time announced, trust me, I've seen this happen a lot of time.

[Siane]

I understand that some people wanna hunt in a small group, without warning anyone, really, I do, and I have no problem with that. If we forced people to join LS and hunt together, that would be fascist, but that's not what we're asking ! When u see a lot of people waiting somewhere, and when someone announced a pull time, just wait ? One minutes, two minutes, we never ask for more ! Would it kill you to just wait one single minute ? I don't think so.

And as I understand your point of view, u have to understand our. When we run through the map to get to the mob, and get one seconde to late, to hear that a NaHa guy pulled AGAIN, of course we get angry at all the NaHa, we start thinking that no one in this FC wants to be fair. So, you complain, acting like a victim, but as Sephystos said, we warned you. We said a thousands times "please, wait for pull time, don't pull before", to see what ? People laughing and saying that they don't care... I have no problem with the whole NaHa FC, and I don't want to have any, but from now, I wont shout any location because I fear one of you guys will come and pull before the time we settled. And once more, we told you "be careful with early pulls, the whole server is going to hate you if u keep going on like this" and u did not care, cause u certainly thought it wouldn't be true... but hey, it is true and now, u regret. Well, I won't say it's too late, cause u can make it better, just stop pulling earlier when u see 50 people waiting and a pull time.

[Jiola]

You was pathetic & infantile when you come stole the mob. I don't agreed threatenin & insulting, but i understand people who hate you.

If "The Server" decided to do so, why noone asked anyone of my FC, nor my friendlist about this? Not "The Server" decided to do so, but the few people, who started a mob hunting LS, they set up rules for their LS and the way they play, yes... But since noone asked and it's still a random outdoor mob, I don't see the reason to insult anyone like that, just because 1 bloody seal and 3 myth tomes, what people usually get, when 100+ people hit a B mob...


There is NO excuse for insulting and threatening people on a GAME and there is NO excuse to behave like the people I mentioned in my first post here. I don't want to get dropped off any blacklist, nor I want these people to invite me to their LS or raid parties... I got my own raid party, I got my own friends on the server, if you don't want to be friends with me, I'm completely okay with that... But for god's sake, this insulting, threatening and defaming has to stop...

Bullying is no trivial offence!

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

B marks were ment to solo.. community or not.. the OP in in his right to kill B mobs alone, SE designed it like so. he does not owe anyone anything. and if he found the mob first no one is entitled to make him wait.. NO ONE!

[Jiola]

And once more, we told you "be careful with early pulls, the whole server is going to hate you if u keep going on like this" and u did not care, cause u certainly thought it wouldn't be true... but hey, it is true and now, u regret.

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Still no reason for bullying, insulting and threatening people in an online game


Furthermore I don't regret it. The only thing I regret is, that people react like that on "stealing" (so the mobs are yours, didn't see it, thought they were untagged at the time I pulled... Didn't know, that SE gave them to YOU, not us) a few B-Mobs... We also got blamed and insulted for a lot of pulls of other people and we experienced MANY (around 30 times now) pulls, before your "pulling time", too. So the rules count for NaHa, but not for anyone else? really cool!
The Mobs are free to EVERYONE on this game and there will always be people, who pull earlier. Just get over it and stop bullying, threatening and insulting people, especially, when they got nothing to do with it...

In the future, we'll leave out the mobs, where the LS-people are gathered and the topic's done for us... GG Lich community...GG!

[Siane]

Never said I agreed with bullying, insulting and threatening. Just saying that they're being as stupid as u were.

And Yoohre, we're not talking about the mobs he found alone (or with his group), he does what he wants with these ones, we're talking about the ones a lot of people found together, being pulled one seconde before the time we settled, just to annoy everyone.

[Jiola]

And Yoohre, we're not talking about the mobs he found alone (or with his group), he does what he wants with these ones, we're talking about the ones a lot of people found together, being pulled one seconde before the time we settled, just to annoy everyone.

It wasn't "just to annoy everyone"... As mentioned above: Almost always anyone pulls before the announced time and so we often missed the 5 Seals and only received one, so we decided to pull first. And as mentioned above, too: We will no longer attend the hunts, where all the LS people are around, but find our own mobs. The only thing I want, is to stop the bullying, threatening, defamation and insults... There is no need for such a behaviour in an online game...

[Siane]

And I agree with you, no one should threaten you or your mate, this is a ridiculous behavior.

For the seals, I always get everything if we are 8, so I don't see the problem. The only moment I don't get all the seals is when someone pull earlier. If you just waited a bit, trust me, you'd have everything. Depends on the job u play I guess, but we all have a skill we can put immediatly on the mob, right ? And it's getting rare to see someone pull before the time we announced now, I guess people start to understand.^^ Of course there will always be some people who want to fuck your day but, just don't be one of these guys and I'm sure the stupid people who PM you to insult or threaten you will stop. They're being assholes, just be smarter !