nerfed mages and screwed enmity o_o

[Reika]

So much for 'class defining' too. Having to use a skill from another class to be what you need to be is not defining. All the 'tank skills' in your arsenal cant hold up to someones heals.

Has anyone tried using Provoke, Taunt, and etc after the mage steals enmity, maybe you're not supposed to use all your enmity generating moves at the beginning of a fight now.

yessir, but things dont seem to work at all. I provoke disorient and taunted the hell out of the orgre when he turned and started chasing a mage, but he turned back to me for a second, then chased the mage again. Using both heavy slash and heavy stab in that mix dont help either.

[Raze]

Has anyone tried using Provoke, Taunt, and etc after the mage steals enmity, maybe you're not supposed to use all your enmity generating moves at the beginning of a fight now.

Taunt II is pretty viable in an emergency since the cooldown is pretty long, but relying on provoke just plain won't work anymore. A tank who wants to be effective is going to have to do some "horizontal growth" and grab all the enmity abilities they can get. Reading the descriptions about what the abilities do, as well as patch notes, is really the key to using skills in the right order (I use an order to maximize) so that they can be best utilized.

edit: Oh, and give your tank a minute to set up some hate before you start putting in the cures, it's easy for a GLA to start off a fight taking very little damage, so letting him cure himself and throw out some abilities will keep the immediate wipe from happening. Also, Disorient is realllly bad at drawing hate (speaking as a GLA with affinity boost, may be different for MRD) so use it as a last resort, I'd rather have an auto attack hit the mob.

[giftforce]

Ok where do i start.

well I have been playing this game since closed Beta and apart from the obvious faults I have been a happy gamer up until last week.

The main reason for my upset are the mage class changes. I spent alot of time ranking up conj and thaum and enjoyed playing both very much, thats untill 1.18 went live.

Thaumaturge has no AoE? thats just stupid, I got to rank 50 to find out a few weeks later that it is a job I will never use again

Conjurer: sure it feel a bit more like a white mage now, but MP cost for cure spells are all wrong I tell you!! either we need more MP or the spells need to cost half what they do now. i like the addition of rebirth and raise II but what was wrong with AoE cure 1 2 and 3? they worked perfectly fine.

Now Curaga spells, it would seem that if I even think about casting it I draw hate from the tank and get eaten by a mob, enmity needs to be looked at also,

I have spent alot of my time on this game and it a shame to see it a big step backward, I thought 1.18 would slove alot of issues and I know it has, but it has also created a few big problems that need to be fixed.

I hope someone from SE reads this

The FFXI fans have won.

"Strategic play" now equates to "waiting around for the tank to get enough enmity before anyone can do anything, even cure".

[Seirra_Lanzce]

no..
it should be every DD can be done except cure... :|

[Whax]

As GLA I can say, enmity its pretty much working. People need to know that are another skills to manage hate, nobody talked here about Collusion and Accomplice, I using Accomplice (as GLA) with great results. People need to do their homework and test the abilities that were useless before patch. The patch is excelent, people need to stop crying and start to plan their actions.

Mages! Grab the hate tools from another classes now!

[Reika]

As GLA I can say, enmity its pretty much working. People need to know that are another skills to manage hate, nobody talked here about Collusion and Accomplice, I using Accomplice (as GLA) with great results. People need to do their homework and test the abilities that were useless before patch. The patch is excelent, people need to stop crying and start to plan their actions.

Mages! Grab the hate tools from another classes now!

Ive tried accomplice too, With and without Seasoned Veteran equipped. I pretty much always have Seasoned Veteran equipped too, since its equipped by macro, but Accomplice didn't work Didn't work, so i took it off my bar for now. just for fun, I will try again and report specifically to you.

[Raze]

Ive tried accomplice too. Didn't work, so i took it off my bar for now.

Accomplice works, it's like one of the premier hate draws now. Just pick a good target.

[Whax]

Ive tried accomplice too, With and without Seasoned Veteran equipped.. Didn't work, so i took it off my bar for now.

You are doing wrong, if work for me there is no reason to not work for you. I change from green to blink red using on the person that had more hate, plus keep using (not only you lose the hate).

[Reika]

The thing is Accomplice did work a lot for me prior to the patch, then suddenly stopped working after, whether or not i used it on the person that was being targeted or someone else.

[popdai]

You are doing wrong, if work for me there is no reason to not work for you. I change from green to blink red using on the person that had more hate, plus keep using (not only you lose the hate).

And if you cannot hold hate, tell your mages not to spam Curaga II at the beginning of the fight!

Bye