Please Stop Making Content-Less Grinds

[Orophin]

If you weren't playing this you'd be doing something else to "waste time". It's all wasted time either way you look at it. We all gotta go sometime. You just gotta make the most out of the time you have. Some people choose to play this game as their escape from the real world, other people have other hobbies. If this game isn't enjoyable for you, you clearly need to find something else to do.

[Welsper59]

To put it another way, if I could master a crafting or gathering class in six hours or so, I would probably try to master them all. Making each one take 20 hours means I won't bother with any. By increasing the time required, you are actually reducing the amount I will play your game.

My time is valuable. I've decided to spend it playing your game. So why do you insist on wasting it?

If you or anyone else doesn't see the value in the very thing that you don't like, as a crafter (see "a money maker"), you don't understand what it means to be a crafter in an MMORPG. Admittedly, the current pricing to get the upgrades are high in both cost and time, but they aren't even needed yet if that's a problem.

[Lemuria]

To be fair, the OP has an extremely valid point. Argue semantics all you like, but the 'master crafting' is a perfect example of grind for the sake of grind.

Now if Silver Brocade, for example, were used in an actual crafting recipe or have some value beyond trading it for worthless junk at the selfsame vendor I might worry less about grinding away 60 of the things for weapon + headgear. But they don't. It's solid proof that SE just doesn't understand what to do with the crafting system they've got in place. I'm almost convinced that the only reason we have some kind of system at the moment is because it was largely already in place during 1.0.

Perhaps the post was worded improperly. The term 'wasting time' implies that there's no real progression when in reality what they've done is slow it to a crawl artificially. They could go out of their way to actually make it fun again, but that would require something resembling effort, which they haven't felt compelled to do for crafters since launch.

People have this weird notion that if you dislike an aspect of the game it means you dislike the whole game, and people are quick to get defensive when something they enjoy is targeted. Well, I love crafting. I maxed all of my crafters as a labour of love, not a grindfest and took each new high level synth as a challenge to be met. Hitting a brick wall because you don't have every piece of HQ gear melded with the absolute best materia money can't buy, and every single crafting food item known to Lalafell kind is just poor design.

[CYoung187]

I want it now!

Honestly MMO is not for you. The game is not designed for you to complete in a month. SE would be broke if it was. The game would have no staying power if there was no grind. Even the grind in this game is pretty minimal.

[Riion]

I want it now!

Honestly MMO is not for you. The game is not designed for you to complete in a month. SE would be broke if it was. The game would have no staying power if there was no grind. Even the grind in this game is pretty minimal.

LOL! Why's that? Because I don't want to subject myself to endless grinds? I guarantee the players who do are in the minority. I've nothing against grinding. The best gear should require work, but when you put in a ton of work to achieve gear just in time (or not) for it to become irrelevant, then perhaps the grind is a bit too ambitious.

[Tupsi]

LOL! Why's that? Because I don't want to subject myself to endless grinds? I guarantee the players who do are in the minority.

People always say: "Is the minority" to pretty much everything when it's up to the developers to decide who is or isn't in the minority. Funnily enough, only the "minority" wanted SE to focus on hairstyles and we get them every patch.

[Riion]

People always say: "Is the minority" to pretty much everything when it's up to the developers to decide who is or isn't in the minority. Funnily enough, only the "minority" wanted SE to focus on hairstyles and we get them every patch.

I literally have no idea what point your trying to make, but okay!

[Eissels]

I want it now!

Honestly MMO is not for you. The game is not designed for you to complete in a month. SE would be broke if it was. The game would have no staying power if there was no grind. Even the grind in this game is pretty minimal.

I think the key word there is *content-less* grinds.

Grinds are fine. They're the lifeblood of MMOs. But, please, can they be something engaging or interesting, not running around spamming low level FATEs or other things that offer absolutely nothing in terms of fun gameplay.

[Fendred]

The grind is definitely an issue on some parts of the game (I'm looking at you, Atma grind!). I think the other question is why do we feel compelled to participate in said grinds even if we hate them? I'd say I really want the paladin atma shield and sword just because they better match the paladin AF2 color scheme (for those who don't know what AF2 means, I am referring to the mythos job specific gear). However, the ultra low chances of acquiring the prerequisite items does translate to a lot of wasted time doing fates because there is no definitive progress to acquiring the atma. You either get the atma of the x from the zone you're in or you don't.

I also think their is a high level of toxicity at end game in terms of negative social pressure from elitists that forces people into the wrong kind of grinds. No one should feel they need to grind ex primals or do all the duty roulettes every single day just so some other person who whines about other people being new can get easy kills on DF or PF. Toxic players make all forms of end game grind that much more painful if just for painting the entire game experience in a negative light.

[HeroSamson]

Isn't all MMO's like that, I think you should stick to single player games then.

No offense.