BLM no better then other?

[Sleigh]

After counting in Foe's Requiem it does seem BLM can beat any DPS but MNK in a stand-still like T8, though still less than DRG + the buff it gives BRD if you count that as the whole of DRG DPS. Considering how much better utility SMN has, and how its damage converts into real fights more consistently by default, I think this is how it should be.

[Orophin]

I think I would have been really close to our MNK this week in T8 had I not been handling mines. (there was about a 20 DPS difference between us) Think I'm going to get our 2nd BRD to handle those and try to remain stationary as possible.

I was neck in neck with our DRG who is usually not too far behind our MNK.

Its 10% of what you able to do

if you do 300 before, you will hit 330, if you did 500 (lol) before, you will able to hit 550

Simple as that, don't listen to other bullshit too much because they just want to brag

10% is an average over a long period of time. Even for a fight that can go up to 11 minutes in the case of Avatar (we took 8:30 to kill btw) you can have a wild streak of Firestarter procs that can really boost your damage output. This week I had a 50 DPS increase over my previous best attempt in T8 as a BLM, and I still think I could have done more had I not been dealing with mines.

[Limani]

Hey people,

Thanks for your answers.

Games atm just a healer as Main and am wondering about what DPS job I choose. Bard is out of the question for me. So Dragoon, BLM, Summoner Monk and would stand for election. Range or Meele does not matter. My FC only needs necessarily someone who does good DPS for T6-T9. Single target is more important than I think because AOE.

Hope you can help me with helpful answers and no Flames

[Coldea]

SNIP SNIP

Every single class brings something to a group !

BLM : AOE King, good ST damage after buff, increased DPS with Foe, can use Virus and Eye for an Eye. Cons : has to be immobile to bring max dps, only 1 offensive CD, rely on procs.
SMN : High DPS, mobile with Ruin2 when dots are up, high utility (EfE, Virus, Raise). Cons : Rotation significantly harder than BLM, burst given by Aetherflow stacks.

BRD : Highest utility in the game (Foe, Ballad, Paeon, Silence), good dps with high burst (5 offensive CD), best mobility (often used for a lot of mechanics ). Cons : ??? (No LB ?)

DRG : High dps on ST, best burst of the game (Blood for Blood gives +30%dmg), stuns (every 20s + spineshatter), Disembowel for increased dmg (for drg and bards). Cons : VERY position dependent for your combo.
MNK : Best DPS on ST, with slow acceleration, but top final speed. Cons : almost no AOE, no ranged attack, GL conservation is crucial.

[Eijii]

even before patch, if you correctly play BLM you will be on par if not better than mnk/drg.. In my static my BLM was top dps then followed by DRG/MNK.

[ViviAnimus]

Always those silly remarks. Objectively, if both parties (for example BLM and DRG) played their classes equally well, the DRG would come out on top. Same goes for MNK and SMN, but in slightly higher proportions. People who claim that on their static the Black Mage was pulling more DPS than other classes, they just don't get the point. By no means is personal experience in one single group proof that the BLM had higher single target damage. SE knew objectively that the BLM's single target damage was too low and they were right to give us a boost. This was noted by a lot of Black Mages who are skilled at what they do and could not come close to other classes but Bard who are also equally skilled.

[scarebearz]

even before patch, if you correctly play BLM you will be on par if not better than mnk/drg.. In my static my BLM was top dps then followed by DRG/MNK.

Your playing with a bad Monk, if your Monk "played correctly" they would have done a lot more.

[ViviAnimus]

Why do people say that the SMN rotation is significantly harder. It's just as easy lol

[skaterger]

Why do people say that the SMN rotation is significantly harder. It's just as easy lol

-Dot clipping too early or too late affects dps greatly. If dots fall off, huge dps loss. Blm only has thunder as a dot, and it is part of their basic rotation during umbral ice phase.
-Micromanaging pet and their abilities. If pet dies, albeit rarely, huge dps loss again.
-Blm has a fixed rotation, summoner not so. If either has to move for some reason, blm's rotation mostly remains the same (maybe 1 less fire 1 if using scathe or transpose if SC flare) but its much more dynamic for smns.
-Less buttons to press for blm. I have all my blm spells and macros on 1 hotbar but need 2 hotbar for smn and their pet abilities.
-Many more cooldowns to keep track off for smn. Both classes have RS, but smn has contagion, SF, spur, rouse, enkindle, aetherflow in addition to the 3 basic dots.
-To achieve optimal dps for smn, they have to master certain small nuances like using contagion with M2, auto attacking when possible, keeping Shadowflare up 100% of the time and weaving in off gcd skills. To achieve optimal dps for blm, they have to master maximizing dps while moving, which for the most part is using a macro for AM and saving firestarter procs if you know you need to move soon, and of course using scathe. The latter feels much easier to me IMO.

There are probably a couple more but these are the primary ones mainly. I remember when I switched to smn from blm that it took me almost 2 weeks on my smn to achieve the same dps that I did on my blm, I was always forgetting to use aetherflow when it was off cooldown, forgetting shadowflare, and other minor stuff but these things all add up. Of course, after playing the class for a while now, these things come pretty naturally to me but i remember it was discouraging back then and I almost wanted to switch back to blm. But I'm glad I stuck to it cause I love how dynamically the class plays compared to blm. I'm pretty sure you are aware of all the things I mentioned above since you play smn as well so I think it all boils down to personal perspective. Just my 2 cents.

[Limani]

But i have think BLM is the AOE-king? Whenn he's the AOE-King, why then he should be too Single Target King? A bit op, or not?