Theorycrafting: Alphinaud and the Leveilleur clan

[Xmbei]

So I was researching FF history and more information on the Crystal Braves and the Zodiac Braves. Noticed a villain in FFT was named Alphonse Delacroix. And started to think maybe the Leveilleur clan is not that good. Le veilleur in french means "the watchmen" and L'éveilleur means "The Arousing". (Google Translate anyways lol).

So being the way FF's usually are in the past with huge shock twists at the end was thinking what if the Leveilleur clan is actually not as good as we like? For one he saves us and sends us away because he still has use for us at the end of 1.0 and we don't see what happened to him nor Bahamut, but we do see him smile up at Bahamut at the end, maybe happy Bahamut has "Aroused"(not sexual aroused -.- but rose from slumber. He appears in CoB and strikes down Nael and doesn't seem to be aiding anyone but himself with Bahamut. Could go on more just postulating my initial ideas of this theory.

Then we come to the 2 grandchildren, who per 2.3 didn't seem to interested in helping us at the start but did. Then Alphinaud whose name is rather similiar to Alphonse, tries to pull the best warriors of each nation to form his own independent army, to our appearances may be good, but maybe he will turn it against the others? While the sister is off in CoB looking for clues for the Patriarch of their family.

Now this may and probably sounds really ridiculous to a lot of you but it is for fun speculation, and talk about a shock if it comes out that we have been helping the wrong people or being manipulated by them for own ends and they are not the good guys. I mean what if all this time we been killing the Primals has actually been doing more harm than good? Plus with such the reverance to a character and then at the end it comes to reveal that he has not really been a good guy would be such a blow to the players and the characters and unexpected it would be pretty cool imo.

Please discuss dissenting or assenting ideas are welcome it will be interesting to see where the discussion goes. (plus what really got me started on this is a question on how many were there that put on the blue at the end? was it 12 or less or more? I didn't think to count until I was away from the game)

edit: had awakening wrong meant to arousing

Edit 2: As part of a New Years greeting from the development team, Yoshida included a prophetic verse from Louisoix. Upon careful comparison between language versions, the consistent message implies one of two entities will decide the fate of the world through actions taken on the Primals: one entity of light and one of darkness/might. as per this statement on the Louisoix wiki page, the fate is how the primals are handled, and we have been doing Louisoix decree of killing the Primals, and well it hasn't exactly been strengthening Hydaelyn, but more of weakening her the more we kill them to the point she no longer is there after the main storyline. So maybe if we had left the primals alone we wouldn't have been having the problem we are at now? Maybe Hydaelyn means life and Zodiark is powered by death. So when they are summoned and living or not summoned at all things are fine but more times we kill the primals and our enemy it gives strength to Zodiark through the various deaths?

[Morningstar1337]

If the Levelieur are villains then they are the most successful in their deception compared to Lahabrea (decided to gloat by revealing he possessed Thancred) and Teledji (How on Hydealyn could he had been found out so soon?)

As for their silent treatment at the beginning they didn't know their company was Cid and the Warrior of Light yet And not even they knew they were that at the time either)

Regardless I don't really buy it. They seem like such good people, and the Asceans seem to be the one behind the primals (teaching everyone from little kids to beastmen how to summon them in the first place)

Louisoux though I have some doubt (having never played 1.0) but so far he skews towards tragic than pure evil (unless it's revealed that the willingly served Bahamut)

[Xmbei]

yes, but sometimes the worst and craziest of villians can appear good, or think they are doing good. Also look at my second edit, Maybe the primals are not such a bad thing, which also explains why maybe in the future our FC's are suppose to be able to summon the Primals themselves into the Open World and it changes the weather of the zone (probably coming in 3.0 when we learn that the Primals are actually good for Hydaelyn) Thanks for posting btw was hoping this wouldn't get buried.

Edit: also not entirely taking this theory for much either, but it would be fun and interesting if they turn out to be a bad guy too so just having fun with the mental thought.

I still operate under the impression while the Dragons aren't exactly nice folks I think they are not the enemy, nor are the Primals nor the beast tribe (in 1.0 you were suppose to try to lay low the primals but also work for peace with the beastman that summon them (which we didn't do until Ramuh in 2.0. The Ascians and Zodiarc I still believe to be bad and they will succeed in their plans going into 3.0 leading us to use stronger forces to banish them. (Maybe end up having to summon primals in a fight against the Ascians so that the primals will eat the spirit of the Ascians like Leviathan did to that ascended Sahagin.

You may ask then why would the Ascians teach people to summon the Primals? Answer is simple they know that killing them will weaken Hydaelyn maybe? Also knowing that we fear the unknown and the Primals that we would run off no questions asked to kill them achieving the goal they want.

[Morningstar1337]

yes, but sometimes the worst and craziest of villians can appear good, or think they are doing good. Also look at my second edit, Maybe the primals are not such a bad thing, which also explains why maybe in the future our FC's are suppose to be able to summon the Primals themselves into the Open World and it changes the weather of the zone (probably coming in 3.0 when we learn that the Primals are actually good for Hydaelyn) Thanks for posting btw was hoping this wouldn't get buried.

If that happens chances are that EVERYONE (Levelier twins inclued) would be outta the loop. Still It would be amusing to see Alphinaud at like a cheesy 90's supervillain. :P

Also you're welcome

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That could actually work. And it'd go a long way into integrating Summoners into the lore

[Ooshima]

Not really into lore, but when you defeat Nael and finish the quest Alisaie's Resolve, one Alphinaud is seen saying in the cutscene:

So, you have found your resolve, dear sister. Will you now find a use for the secret─for the key that only you and I hold? Given our familial propensity for curiosity, you would do well to remember that keys may serve to seal doors as well as to unlock them. And Bahamut is a most unwelcome guest, to whom the door should never have been opened.

It gives a great hint that in 2.4, the third coil of bahamut should be likely the last coil of bahamut where bahamut should be the final boss and FFXIV will proceed to expansion after that

[Alenore]

Le Veilleur = The Watcher.
L'éveilleur = The Awakener.

As for coil, he is an aetherial copy, kind of like Nael is. He can't really decide what to do, he's Bahamut puppet. He tried to summon the Twelve, doesn't sounds like someone enthralled to a primal. Especially when his own staff has a Twelve icon. (Yes, I know, ixali)

Alphinaud is as similar to "Alphonse" as it is to "Alphabet". So it doesn't mean much things.

[Altimis]

Don't you guys a bit mind to put up ***SPOILER*** ? LOL

Theorycrafting =/= Spoiler

[Xmbei]

We still dont know much about the 12 they could be evil, they could be either the opposite to the 12 ascians or they could be the 12 ascians themselves. Wont be the first time in a FF that the gods the everyman worships desire to cleanse the world for own purposes and may use the hero to accomplish the goal. Grooming the chosen for the express purpose for that.