Hunts were a terrible/irresponsible idea

[Worm]

You mean radar isn't telling people what's up within a five map block radius? Because that's an enormous advantage. In the time it takes me to check every nook and cranny in one zone for a potential target somebody with radar has checked ten other zones.

Also, there's more than one radar programme and they have varying effectiveness. There's one person on Sargatanas who had admitted outside of the game (clever guy) that his radar tells him when something spawns, regardless of where he is in the zone. Don't assume that everyone is using the same 'cheap' programme. There are also people who play this game that are probably better at creating software than some of SE's team. That's not a dig based on the hunts or anything... There are some talented programmers out there who play video games.

Look I understand it's frustrating but focusing on some 'he said she said' about Radar programs you don't even know exist really is ignoring the underlying problem of the incentives, mob contribution, and mob health. It's not about "talented programmers" it's about someone peaking into data the server hasn't sent them yet. We're talking exploits of massive proportions and I'm not telling you they don't exist, I'm saying blaming some nebulous software because some guy on Sargantanas admitted he has a special hack that lets him see spawns anywhere just isn't enough evidence.

EDIT: Making these into bitchfests about cheating will not only muddle the actual good points, but probably just get the threads deleted. Unless FFXIV is doing something dumb like caching a rare mob into everyone's memory in the zone when it spawns rathern than when they see it, then most methods of finding a mob zone wide should be detectable since they're getting into server info.

I'm not going to assume there are apps that do this simply because people get to hunts sooner than me. I see these people walking around the map and I've gotten to mobs before there as well.

[SeleneVenizelos]

Look I understand it's frustrating but focusing on some 'he said she said' about Radar programs you don't even know exist really is ignoring the underlying problem of the incentives, mob contribution, and mob health. It's not about "talented programmers" it's about someone peaking into data the server hasn't sent them yet. We're talking exploits of massive proportions and I'm not telling you they don't exist, I'm saying blaming some nebulous software because some guy on Sargantanas admitted he has a special hack that lets him see spawns anywhere just isn't enough evidence.

But I do know they exist. We're not all ignorant bleaters that complain about ghosts and specters so kindly don't tar me with that brush. Ironic, really, since you've just demonstrated your own ignorance on the subject.

Take a look at This Thread Here for a screenshot of a widely available app. That is the 'cheapest' and 'simplest' app available and that one app provides quite an enormous advantage, as I outlined before. In the time it takes me to run around one zone this one person, of hundreds using this radar, has scanned ten zones. He only has to cover a fraction of the ground I would have to cover to see all those monsters.

[iro43]

Just add a weekly cap to Allied marks, being able to get 10 sands in a week is massively OP anyway. With a cap, the elite FCs using apps or whatever will cap in a single day, allowing the more casual players the ability to find marks later on in the week.

I propose a cap of 750, just enough to get a sand a week. S ranks will still be server wide kills because you have a chance of getting a log even if you cap, but it will severely lessen the load on B and A ranks.

[RyuDragnier]

Just add a weekly cap to Allied marks, being able to get 10 sands in a week is massively OP anyway. With a cap, the elite FCs using apps or whatever will cap in a single day, allowing the more casual players the ability to find marks later on in the week.

I propose a cap of 750, just enough to get a sand a week. S ranks will still be server wide kills because you have a chance of getting a log even if you cap, but it will severely lessen the load on B and A ranks.

Wait, you mean Elite Marks are not capped, as in you can keep killing them and keep getting their seals constantly during the same week? If so, I see the gaping hole that should be filled to fix this problem.

[Worm]

But I do know they exist. We're not all ignorant bleaters that complain about ghosts and specters so kindly don't tar me with that brush. Ironic, really, since you've just demonstrated your own ignorance on the subject.

Take a look at This Thread Here for a screenshot of a widely available app. That is the 'cheapest' and 'simplest' app available and that one app provides quite an enormous advantage, as I outlined before. In the time it takes me to run around one zone this one person, of hundreds using this radar, has scanned ten zones. He only has to cover a fraction of the ground I would have to cover to see all those monsters.

That picture certainly doesn't demonstrate zone wide popping nor notifying people that a rare mob popped.. Yes it's an advantage but we're talking about a mini-map area that they can preview, they are not scanning ten zones in the time you check one, that you think that demonstrates you don't know what you're talking about. I'm sure the fact that you're wrong about FFXIV will prompt you to start going on about all the amazing tech we don't even know about but just spare me.

Look if you want to derail this thread with random speculation about how people must be exploiting go ahead. I'd really appreciate it if you didn't but obviously you're set on it. I don't think people should be using the addon and I think client info should be obfuscated to break the addon, HOWEVER, it's not the philosophers stone you suggest. Nor is it the real problem with hunts, people having a somewhat wider range of view via a crappy overlay are not the issue. Filling these threads with wild speculation about programs you know nothing about is just noise that's going to result in us getting a bad fix from SE when they look here for feedback and find pages of crap.

[Alphras]

It is cheating and it gives a very large advantage. There are already players that have a full set of sand of time upgraded items without ever beating T5.

[Reve]

I don't understand why people are complaining. Everyone wanted a NM system just like FFXI. Now you can relive all the missed claims that you forgot about while going down nostalgia lane.

[Morningstar1337]

I don't understand why people are complaining. Everyone wanted a NM system just like FFXI. Now you can relive all the missed claims that you forgot about while going down nostalgia lane.

Even better lets make XIV a mix of XI and 1.0 that would make the people under the nostalgia filter happy, right?

[faris]

I don't understand why people are complaining. Everyone wanted a NM system just like FFXI. Now you can relive all the missed claims that you forgot about while going down nostalgia lane.

in XI, NMs that dropped bits and bobs for endgame weren't wusses.

[Xellos2099]

You know, it might not even be the rader that is causing issue. Maybe you know it is the weekend and some people finally catching on to hunt. The more people scouting in the the zone the higher chance that they will notice it before you do.