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    I think I'm the only one who prefers the idea that Edda just went so mad after her experiences that she managed to find and cultivate these powers on her own. :-/

    Reducing it to something lame like "Voidsent told her to do it." would just be incredibly cheap, uninspired, and would suck all of the intrigue out of this to me.

    Rather tired of the voidsent as a whole honestly, but meh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour View Post
    I think I'm the only one who prefers the idea that Edda just went so mad after her experiences that she managed to find and cultivate these powers on her own. :-/

    Reducing it to something lame like "Voidsent told her to do it." would just be incredibly cheap, uninspired, and would suck all of the intrigue out of this to me.

    Rather tired of the voidsent as a whole honestly, but meh...
    I don't think it's "Voidsent told her to" more "Voidsent laid the breadcrumbs" I mean laying the knowledge about necromancy in a place where only a person mad enough to look for it will find it, from there it's only a matter of time. I honestly have no doubt that Edda, after however she got the knowledge of the art, experimented and cultivated her powers on her own volition. She just happens to have been that batshit crazy.

    Necromancy is definitely a void art though, see as there are ALOT of voidsent in Tam-Tara HM, though that could also be her using her new powers to tap into the void energies already present in the area, seeing how the Lambs of Dalamud used it to to revive Galvanth the Dominator in the Story mode version. So many possibilities :3
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayokane View Post
    I don't think it's "Voidsent told her to" more "Voidsent laid the breadcrumbs" I mean laying the knowledge about necromancy in a place where only a person mad enough to look for it will find it, from there it's only a matter of time. I honestly have no doubt that Edda, after however she got the knowledge of the art, experimented and cultivated her powers on her own volition. She just happens to have been that batshit crazy.

    Necromancy is definitely a void art though, see as there are ALOT of voidsent in Tam-Tara HM, though that could also be her using her new powers to tap into the void energies already present in the area, seeing how the Lambs of Dalamud used it to to revive Galvanth the Dominator in the Story mode version. So many possibilities :3
    I don't really have a problem with "She's using void powers". I DO think the whole, "She's being manipulated and following their plan" thing is stupid and takes away from this particular story by making it extremely generic and repetitive in terms of how things tend to go in this game.

    Something more along the lines of "She managed to understand and utilize void magick far beyond what any normal human should ever be able to." simply out of natural aptitude and madness would work far better, IMO.
    If there's any void manipulation going on, I'd rather see it go the other way around where she's subjugating them and the upper tier of voidsent don't see her as a boon or a mark, but more of a threat.

    Basically, rather than having 'breadcrumbs' laid to lead her to the void, I'd rather think she just burst through the wall like some kinda necromantic kool-aid-man and started stealing their bread of her own volition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour View Post
    ...Basically, rather than having 'breadcrumbs' laid to lead her to the void, I'd rather think she just burst through the wall like some kinda necromantic kool-aid-man and started stealing their bread of her own volition.
    Oh yeah!

    She could easily have known of the Amdapor war and and then started smashing though the void like a crazed demented chessmaster. Hell she might have even manipulated the Voidsent into think they were maniplating her when the opposite is the actual truth.

    Even ehr death could have been a benefit to her machinations. Considering what we now know about the afterlife and the Void. If she lives then "Avere" also lives. If she dies, she gets even more access to void magicks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour View Post
    I don't really have a problem with "She's using void powers". I DO think the whole, "She's being manipulated and following their plan" thing is stupid and takes away from this particular story by making it extremely generic and repetitive in terms of how things tend to go in this game.

    Something more along the lines of "She managed to understand and utilize void magick far beyond what any normal human should ever be able to." simply out of natural aptitude and madness would work far better, IMO.
    If there's any void manipulation going on, I'd rather see it go the other way around where she's subjugating them and the upper tier of voidsent don't see her as a boon or a mark, but more of a threat.

    Basically, rather than having 'breadcrumbs' laid to lead her to the void, I'd rather think she just burst through the wall like some kinda necromantic kool-aid-man and started stealing their bread of her own volition.
    The problem being is that we know she's massively incompetent, and, more significantly, this obviously isn't her story. It's just another chapter of the voidsent story, which starts in Haukke Manor and will, most likely, 'end' in CT3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombast View Post
    The problem being is that we know she's massively incompetent, and, more significantly, this obviously isn't her story. It's just another chapter of the voidsent story, which starts in Haukke Manor and will, most likely, 'end' in CT3.
    A) She was massively incompetent. As a healer. It's quite possible that she was actually rather terrible at that, but naturally pre-disposed to necromancy. And it's also possible that she had an artificial wall in front of her that grief and madness tore down.
    B) This doesn't need to be part of the larger voidsent story that's going on with CT3. It doesn't all have to be part of a giant overarching plan, and trying to shove everything under one umbrella just serves to undermine the potential the game has. I'd much prefer that this is her story that exists as a tangent to everything that's going on. Degrading her into a tool to further that story (that honestly shouldn't be overextended further, IMO) completely diminishes the beauty of and connection to her particular story-arc in my eyes.

    I fully expect it will just become "lul voidsent overlord. Push her to the side so we can fight this guy and try to pretend this is actually interesting". But that's mainly because I have no faith they will actually deliver a satisfying story. :-\
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark-Saviour View Post
    A) She was massively incompetent. As a healer. It's quite possible that she was actually rather terrible at that, but naturally pre-disposed to necromancy. And it's also possible that she had an artificial wall in front of her that grief and madness tore down.
    Just to say something, necromancy and healing are not so different in the grand scheme of things. Both involve bringing life to dead things, and with keeping them alive (heck, look at D&D. ALL healing spells belong to the school of necromancy). Main difference would be the source of power, not the casting itself (and intent, but you can use necromancy for good, and healing for evil). Necromancers naturally make good healers due to their knowledge of how the body works, and healers can also make great necromancers for the same reason.

    We know the Voidsent are jealous creatures, only helping mortals when they have a lot to gain. Necromancy almost certainly cannot be learned without a Voidsent's aid, whether indirect or direct. Edda is definitely being manipulated by *something* that is incredibly powerful, as she is known to be a bad mage and knowledge in-and-of-itself likely wouldn't be enough to help her.
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