You have enough casual/fluff content now, how about that endgame progression SEnix?

[HakuroDK]

This is more of a casual patch though. I felt the same way about 2.2 that you feel about 2.3. I was disappointed with second coil because I don't have the time to commit to learning it so I couldn't really experience that content. So now with 2.3 there is new content that I can experience beyond just grinding soldiery tomes.

I was frustrated after 2.2 and almost took off, but someone on the forums reminded me that pretty much every other patch is casual > hardcore > casual > hardcore. Maybe 2.4 will be more your style

Pretty much this.

Yoshi has pretty much stated that patches will be taking turns between hardcore endgame raids and casual endgame raids. There simply are not enough people in the game willing to participate in 24-man hardcore content on a regular basis with a healthy playerbase in the same way as Crystal Tower content. I HATE Coil, to be perfectly honest, because it requires a level of focus that I simply cannot put out. I haven't even cleared T5 yet because, even as an MT, I have to be a hell of a lot more careful than I have to be with most other content, and it can be very, very stressful, and not at all in a good way.

Hardcore combat content is just one facet out of several that this game has to fill. There's Hardcore Combat Content, Casual Combat Content, Questing, Open World Content, Crafting Content (Both Casual and Hardcore), Gathering Content (Both Casual and Hardcore), and the list is only getting larger.

I mean, if you're getting tired of a lack of hardcore content, why not just unsub for a few months, pick up Dark Souls 2, then come back later when the next bit of Coil comes out?

As for the above post about giving Sands/Oil of Time and UATs to "Casuals", it's pretty much the third weapon option.

Option A: Relic Weapon
Option B: Coil Weapon
Option C: Equal-Strength Weapon

Relic is the weapon that requires the least skill, but the most time. Coil is the weapon that requires the most skill, but the least time. The equal-strength weapon (Rowena's Token Weapons, EX Primal Weapons, etc.) are the middle ground. Have been since 2.1. And to be perfectly honest, there should not be more than one set unlockable by a single specific dungeon, especially if said specific dungeon is supposed to be the hardest content in the game. So really, Sands/Oil/UATs are the only way "casuals" can get i110 armor and weapons, where it originally used to be that we'd have to farm Myth for AF2 and Relic Zenith in order to get gear on par with Coil drops. It was a mistake on SE's part to put Sands/Oil/UATs in Second Coil, and I am glad that they opened it up to drop in more content.

[Nel_Celestine]

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Thank you very much for a well constructed post. I was considering chiming in here but I'm glad someone was able to speak my own stance in such a well produced manner. Kudos to you sir.

[Orophin]

I would say go do brutal Coil, but I guess the challenge isn't what you're looking for, but the loot that goes with it.

[Dwill]

I would say go do brutal Coil, but I guess the challenge isn't what you're looking for, but the loot that goes with it.

Why the illogical assumption ?

A lot of people couldn't care less about loot as much as having different raids to do other than SCoB for a few hours for one night during the week then not do anything until lockout resets.

[TestSubject09]

I would say go do brutal Coil, but I guess the challenge isn't what you're looking for, but the loot that goes with it.

I was expecting this to come up. yes, well done loot and character progression is important in an RPG... good job on trying to make me sound bad for knowing what makes a good game... like this game's competition clearly does....

Again, how is rehashing the same content with alterations a good substitute to a proper 24 man raid? or at least another area of progression.

I knew this would come up, the same frustration nonsense that guild wars 2 players defended the game with... an oh look.... how that end-game turned out.

[Moheeheeko]

I was expecting this to come up. yes, well done loot and character progression is important in an RPG... good job on trying to make me sound bad for knowing what makes a good game... like this game's competition clearly does....

Because god forbid you do something just because its fun.

[Tiggy]

Because god forbid you do something just because its fun.

{ Truth of Mountains }

[TestSubject09]

Because god forbid you do something just because its fun.

Whoa, you can't put variety and reward together to make fun? these arguments are weak and do nobody justice... gear wasn't even the focus of the topic... that guy just decided to come in and claim something that I hadn't... all this white knighting nonsense.

[Amused]

Whoa, you can't put variety and reward together to make fun? these arguments are weak and do nobody justice... gear wasn't even the focus of the topic... that guy just decided to come in and claim something that I hadn't... all this white knighting nonsense.

Why do you need to be rewarded for it? Doing the content itself IS the reward. The experience and the fun you have doing it IS THE REWARD. People with this mindset make me wish that there was no such thing as gear in MMOs and that everything you could equip is purely cosmetic. What would you do without your precious loot?

[Sonofbaldo]

The problem lies in the fact that this game is so insanely easy and takes so little time to get through. You're burning through content because the content is soulless. There is absolutely no epic story lines. Just a bunch of disjointed little tales. So even a casual player such as myself can hit Max level and then some before their first free trial month is even up, which is insanely ridiculous.

You just want more dungeons and harder dungeons. Which is more soulless content to be burned through in the blink of an eye and then you will cry for more. The game should have been much harder and more time consuming to progress to the point where you can even do "end game". I'm willing to bet before my next month is up I will have exhausted what little story this game actually possesses and will have little else to do unless i become a vanity obsessed gear monger or just keep leveling every job by repeating the same handful of events over and over and over again.

SE needs to realize its about the journey, not the destination. But instead they concede to the majority of young, impatient, cry babies who want every now. So the journey is over in a matter of a few weeks and the destination isnt even all that great to begin with.