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    I agree if this is working as intended it needs to be changed and the wording should have been clearer kuz it's very misleading.
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    The way I understand the patch note info:

    You gain skill points for desynthing, that much is common knowledge.

    Whilst working on a particular skill, you may also experience other skills going down. This is the random loss you are seeing.

    When the combined total is at 300, then you will experience other skills going down.

    The difference lies in the may and the will parts. One implies a chance of seeing the downlevel, the other implies a guarantee of seeing the downleve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themis View Post
    The way I understand the patch note info:

    You gain skill points for desynthing, that much is common knowledge.

    Whilst working on a particular skill, you may also experience other skills going down. This is the random loss you are seeing.

    When the combined total is at 300, then you will experience other skills going down.

    The difference lies in the may and the will parts. One implies a chance of seeing the downlevel, the other implies a guarantee of seeing the downleve.
    Exactly. And why do you care about losing 0.01 point is simply weird. I have culinarian at 70 now and every time I get other skill up for 0.5-1 I lose 0.01 culinarian that I can get back any time by desynthesizing another random lvl 45 fish. It's not that you level up one job by 0.02 and lose 0.01, just tiny decrease in those moments when you get big improvement on other jobs. Also so far haven't seen desynth skill decrease bigger than 0.01.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adler View Post
    Exactly. And why do you care about losing 0.01 point is simply weird. I have culinarian at 70 now and every time I get other skill up for 0.5-1 I lose 0.01 culinarian that I can get back any time by desynthesizing another random lvl 45 fish. It's not that you level up one job by 0.02 and lose 0.01, just tiny decrease in those moments when you get big improvement on other jobs. Also so far haven't seen desynth skill decrease bigger than 0.01.
    You must be at the very low skill levels. It costs about 100k for me every time I lose 0.01 points in GSM to get it back. That's not much, but it's not nothing.
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    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
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    Everyone is claiming that the whole skill point loss thing is misleading..

    Successfully desynthesizing an item will raise your skill level for that class. However, this may also lower the skill level of other classes in certain instances.
    It's pretty clear that when you skill up, there's a chance that you will lose skill points (which is what.. tiny amount?).

    and..

    [quot]* If the skill level increase would bring your combined skill level over the 300 point maximum, the skill level of other classes will be lowered. [/quote]

    Makes sense since you can only have 300 skill points overall.


    So... Where's the misleading info?
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    Suirieko Mizukoshi of Excalibur Lamia


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    Quote Originally Posted by Suirieko View Post
    Everyone is claiming that the whole skill point loss thing is misleading..



    It's pretty clear that when you skill up, there's a chance that you will lose skill points (which is what.. tiny amount?).

    and..

    [quot]* If the skill level increase would bring your combined skill level over the 300 point maximum, the skill level of other classes will be lowered. [

    Makes sense since you can only have 300 skill points overall.


    So... Where's the misleading info?
    read my previous post and the post above me. The link is the reference. Yoshi-P's reply to that FAQ just contradicted what the patch notes stated.
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    Then its just a matter of clarification, especially since anything Yoshi-P says is basically a whisper down the lane, he said something, some one translates it, another person transcribes it. Also they have intended things to be one way but have changed it for the actual application in the game, i take the patch notes as being the final "this is what is in the game."
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    All I know is, after reading this, I suddenly feel I made a horrible mistake by skilling up carpenter desynth first...
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    Semantics in the patch notes, and whether or not it was "intended" aside, this is still an problem that should be resolved (preferably removed from the game completely) much sooner than later. It's a rather frustrating piece of design. The 300 cap is still in place. No one would miss it.
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    Off topic but does anyone else feel like the success rate is overstated? It seems to fail far more frequently than what the game suggests.
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