Things that need to change for the better

[SuzakuCMX]

It most certainly is NOT me. A mob that spams AoE from the start and is surrounded by what..8 more, unkillable, mobs that ALSO spam AoEs from the start and the chance of re-entry to the battle from a wipe is very low...yeah...that's a problem with the dungeon, but again, you wouldn't know about it. Yes, the dungeon should be hard, but it shouldn't be in the state that it is. Reduce the amount of AoE spam and it would be fine, but the dude comes out of the gate with AoEs and doesn't let up at all.

Think of new strategies, tell your tank to practice tanking. The dungeon has been out for less than 3 days and already at least 6 parties have beaten the dungeon. I'm saying this for the last time now, this is a problem with you and your group and not the game.

[Shai]

Shai: You, ignored. You provide no discussion and instead choose to ignore people based on a biased opinion and the fact you don't like what they're saying because you can't logically come up with a counter argument. You just ignored my question of why you would need more than one raise and instead told me to shut up because I'm not a high level.

I provided (in this thread) plenty of discussion.

You need more than 1 raise because more than 1 person dies sometimes.

Though I guess everyone can equip a Raise and we can pretend that's only 1 Raise (x8) but really it's just 8 Raises on a different character each, but it all boils down to "people die" and having 3 Raises but only 2 you can ever use in conjunction with each other just seems arbitrarily stupid. Especially when one is worse than the other fundamentally so you'd tend to use it in a bind rather than not anyway.

Sorry I ignored your 1 question, brutha. I forgot you don't know what playing in the big leagues is like so you may not know more than one person dies sometimes. My advice to you remains the same.

[Dubont]

Think of new strategies, tell your tank to practice tanking. The dungeon has been out for less than 3 days and already at least 6 parties have beaten the dungeon. I'm saying this for the last time now, this is a problem with you and your group and not the game.

The ENM system is currently broken so no amount of tanking will help with the fact that a single cure means a focused CON. Also, with the way that the mini-boss is "balanced," if the CON is focused, the CON gets 1 shotted. Those 6 parties most likely just got lucky because this is probably the most BS fight that I've ever seen in ANY game...and keep in mind, I solod Demon's Souls on NG++...

[SuzakuCMX]

I provided (in this thread) plenty of discussion.

You need more than 1 raise because more than 1 person dies sometimes.

Though I guess everyone can equip a Raise and we can pretend that's only 1 Raise (x8) but really it's just 8 Raises on a different character each, but it all boils down to "people die" and having 3 Raises but only 2 you can ever use in conjunction with each other just seems arbitrarily stupid. Especially when one is worse than the other fundamentally so you'd tend to use it in a bind rather than not anyway.

Sorry I ignored your 1 question, brutha. I forgot you don't know what playing in the big leagues is like so you may not know more than one person dies sometimes. My advice to you remains the same.

By 1 raise I mean 1 raise on the same character :/ His complaint was that he can't use all 4 raises a CON gets from leveling. Did you actually read the OP, or are you, again, just whiteknighting because it's a thread that has something relevant to CON in it?

[Betelgeuzah]

it isn't the mechanics, derp. A mob that spams AoEs from the start is completely broken and a ENM system that doesn't allow for a single cure without the hate meter being completely shifted is completely broken. Go level, try the dungeon, then get back to me.

I don't have to. People are dealing with both mechanics just fine. That's all it takes to prove that nothing is broken. This is what you keep saying:

Yes, the dungeon should be hard, but it shouldn't be in the state that it is.

"It should be hard, but it shouldn't be hard."

[Chardrizard]

By 1 raise I mean 1 raise on the same character :/ His complaint was that he can't use all 4 raises a CON gets from leveling. Did you actually read the OP, or are you, again, just whiteknighting because it's a thread that has something relevant to CON in it?

This thread isnt going anywhere, don't bother lol.

[Dubont]

By 1 raise I mean 1 raise on the same character :/ His complaint was that he can't use all 4 raises a CON gets from leveling. Did you actually read the OP, or are you, again, just whiteknighting because it's a thread that has something relevant to CON in it?

again, CON has the ability to use 4 raises, so why can't we use them? WHM can use it's 4 raises and 3 RR...so why can't CON, in a game that is supposedly more casual friendly, use it's 4 or even 3 raises...

[SuzakuCMX]

again, CON has the ability to use 4 raises, so why can't we use them? WHM can use it's 4 raises and 3 RR...so why can't CON, in a game that is supposedly more casual friendly, use it's 4 or even 3 raises...

Because having 32 raises in one party is stupid and broken.

[Shai]

By 1 raise I mean 1 raise on the same character :/ His complaint was that he can't use all 4 raises a CON gets from leveling. Did you actually read the OP, or are you, again, just whiteknighting because it's a thread that has something relevant to CON in it?

WTHeck are you talking about, dood?

I'm also talking about why Raise & Raise 2 are on the same timer. Did you read it? Geez.

[Dubont]

I don't have to. People are dealing with both mechanics just fine. That's all it takes to prove that nothing is broken. This is what you keep saying:



"It should be hard, but it shouldn't be hard."

it should be hard but it shouldn't be broken. Also, just because people can complete something doesn't mean that it isn't completely broken. PW was completely broken. A few of the COP missions were completely broken. People could complete them, yes, but they were completely unbalanced.