Things that need to change for the better

[AarosLunos]

Hey bro the patch is awsome BUT the dungeon needs some nerf and the ONLY problems with the patch are issues effecting the class I play everything else is perfect except the nerfs to mages. surely sounds like you are mad....U MAD BRO?

HE MAD
/10Char

[MeowyWowie]

good thing I know how to play and anyone who says L2P at this point is just an elitist prick with self esteem issues. =)

There are plenty of non "elitist pricks" getting past initial aggro of the Ogre. Some have killed it, most have surely gotten him down to 50% or less by now. You're doing something wrong. Go look around for strategies if you really can't figure it out. I find it difficult to believe that not even one person in your party is competent enough to form a decent strategy on their own. But yea, there's some decent info out there if you look for it.

[Dubont]

There are plenty of non "elitist pricks" getting past initial aggro of the Ogre. Some have killed it, most have surely gotten him down to 50% or less by now. You're doing something wrong. Go look around for strategies if you really can't figure it out. I find it difficult to believe that not even one person in your party is competent enough to form a decent strategy on their own. But yea, there's some decent info out there if you look for it.

we have tried many strategies. Some have been our own and some have been other peoples. If we do manage to get past the first AoE rapefest, which doesn't happen often, it is usually followed by the melees getting nuked down in a matter of seconds becase of, once again, AoE spam. You can only do so much with a CON and THM.

[Arcell]

we have tried many strategies. Some have been our own and some have been other peoples. If we do manage to get past the first AoE rapefest, which doesn't happen often, it is usually followed by the melees getting nuked down in a matter of seconds becase of, once again, AoE spam. You can only do so much with a CON and THM.

The first AoE isn't bad at all and did you stop to think a ranged AoE attack might have some kind of a completely avoidable trigger? I've run into trouble with him using it 2/3 times in a row later but initially it's not that bad.

With the most common (from what I've seen) strategy there's no one best spot to stand in, it's a shifting battle.

Cure 3 can pull crazy hate so maybe you shouldn't use it right off the bat. Use proper enmity managing skills. The mages I play with have had little trouble if they play smart. Also maybe settle for a lower cure until the tank builds proper hate.

[nRosenberg]

good thing I know how to play and anyone who says L2P at this point is just an elitist prick with self esteem issues. =)

count the number of people in this thread who think the dungeons are fine as a challenge, then compare it to the number of people who think that they need a nerf. MORE people would think that the dungeons are fine as they are now. See who is elitist now? elitist in a stupid way that is..

let me say this again, IT'S ONLY BEEN A FEW DAYS. If you think dungeons that can be beaten with strategies formulated within those few days need a nerf, and without actually trying to formulate effective strategies for your party you complain on the forum for those dungeons to be nerfed, you need to PRACTICE MORE. I'm not going to say "L2P" because you definitely knew how to play, the thing is you don't know how to beat the Ogre. That's the exciting part. FIND A WAY.

[Dubont]

count the number of people in this thread who think the dungeons are fine as a challenge, then compare it to the number of people who think that they need a nerf. MORE people would think that the dungeons are fine as they are now. See who is elitist now? elitist in a stupid way that is..

let me say this again, IT'S ONLY BEEN A FEW DAYS. If you think dungeons that can be beaten with strategies formulated within those few days need a nerf, and without actually trying to formulate effective strategies for your party you complain on the forum for those dungeons to be nerfed, you need to PRACTICE MORE. I'm not going to say "L2P" because you definitely knew how to play, the thing is you don't know how to beat the Ogre. That's the exciting part. FIND A WAY.

Tried. Everything we've done in the past 5 runs has led to wipes. Either the mages get AoEd in the face by the ogre because we cured or we get AoEd in the back because we avoided the Ogre's AoE.

[nRosenberg]

Tried. Everything we've done in the past 5 runs has led to wipes. Either the mages get AoEd in the face by the ogre because we cured or we get AoEd in the back because we avoided the Ogre's AoE.

Have your mages tried using Soughspeak to decrease enmity generated?

What is your party composition? Do you have enough tanks and do they coordinate well enough to alternate enmity actions between your cures?

Were you all equipped with Prime Conditioning?

have you tried Heavy Stab - Heavy Slash BR to bring down his attack power?

What about Gear/Actions setup? Is it optimized already?

Did your party move out of the way when the Chain Bearers moved in, and did they moved back in when the Chain Bearers moved back out?

Did you make sure that the tanks are pulling the Ogre to face the other way around from the rest of the party?

Did you make sure that GLAs should use the ability "Cover" in case of emergencies?

Did you make sure that your party were spread out enough to minimize AoE damage, but not too far to allow speedy curing?

and lots other different strategies.. we can discuss strategies in a calm manner ok

[Raze]

L2P
/10CHAR

[Betelgeuzah]

Not mad... In denial.

[SuzakuCMX]

Not mad... In denial.

Nope, he's mad. He's starting to call people who beat the dungeon and disagree with him elitist pricks.