Things that need to change for the better

[DarthTaru]

I'm not sure what your group is doing because mine doesn't have those problems. It seems this thread is divided between people who have a ton of problems and people who don't. Since it's unlikely that some of us have unfair advantages in the game (free cures, 10,000 MP, etc.) I can only assume that the side having issues is doing something wrong.

I suppose you could just stop and regain your MP before pressing forward if a lack of mana is that huge a problem for you.

What I can say is prior to 1.18 I used to watch television while doing leves and would simply spam AoE cure III, all the while barely looking at my PC monitor and could do this pretty much indefinitely until the leve ended. That to me seems more broken than having to be efficient with your mana.

The fact is people have completed this dungeon, using the same mechanics you have. People who have not are progressing further and further in it every day... again... using the same mechanic you have. If your problem is tanks not being able to hold hate, discuss with your group how you can better control enmity. If your problem is a lack of MP, discuss with your group how you can be more efficient. Adapt. Evolve. Progress.

I can't help but think this has more to do with this being more or less the only real content in the game so far. Maybe try the R25 dungeon? It just sounds like people want everything nerfed JUST to the point that they themselves can complete it and complete it immediately... and where does that end? There's always going to be someone worse at the game than you and following this line of thinking we end right back where we started with a game that plays itself. Thanks but no thanks.

I suspect once the game is opened up a little more and there's various things to do for a wide range of skilled and not-so-skilled players, people will be less worried about what someone else is able to do and they're not.
Had 100% of the FFXIV community downed Batraal the first night of 1.18 we would all be here rightly claiming FFXIV is dead and that Yoshi P's vision was a complete failure.

[Thanos]

I wasn't aware that MP management meant massively expensive cure spells..

Massively expensive cure spells means MP management.....

aka dont over heal, know when to enter passive mode to regain what you can etc etc etc

[Betelgeuzah]

So uhh the thread title indicates there are things that need to change for the better.

So where are they? All I see are features that work just fine, aside from the stats that are scheduled to be changed in 1.19 so its much useless to make a thread about them.

Did I click on the wrong thread by mistake?

[Dubont]

So uhh the thread title indicates there are things that need to change for the better.

So where are they? All I see are features that work just fine, aside from the stats that are scheduled to be changed in 1.19 so its much useless to make a thread about them.

Did I click on the wrong thread by mistake?

I'm sorry, you haven't played the game very much. My points are actually all valid at this point. Try playing a bit more and actually doing something in the game, before posting, please. Especially the raise timers...how can you NOT agree that that is absolutely terrible? Even XI didn't have 3 raises on the same timer...

[NoctisUmbra]

The update was awesome, but it had some severe bad sides and a few other things that need tweaking.

1) Cure MP costs. They are much too high and before anyone says "But 11's were high!" yeah, but a cure 3 wasn't 135MP

2) Raises need to be on separate timers. What's the point of having 4 different types of raises, as a CON, if we can only use 2?

3) Stats need enhancing. Aside from VIT and MND, they do next to nothing.

4) Gear damage from death needs to be abolished or reduced. Every dungeon run, I come out with at least 3 pieces of broken gear. This is unacceptable considering people want close to 10k to repair something...

5) the r45 dungeon needs a slight nerf. "CRY MOAR!" no seriously, the ogre opens up with AoE spam and the mages are usually dead in the first 30 seconds of the fight which leads to #6. Also, fix it so that if you wipe and have to return, that the mobs don't pop until you're team is inside the room. It is VERY hard to recover from a wipe on that fight as you will probably wipe again before your team is back into the fight (Stupid ghosts..)

6) Enmity needs to be fixed. The current system is severely flawed. A GLA used 3 vokes and a couple of WS on a mob, I cure 3'd once...mob turned around and bam, 1 shot.

The game needs some things added for sure.

None from your list.

[Moiren]

I agree only with 3) and 4).

Sidenote about 1: Ogre is easy if you know how to do it. If mages die in 30 seconds, you're doin' it wrong as usually no one dies.

[Dubont]

Yet multiple groups have no trouble adjusting themselves to this "broken crap" (in other words "I suck and it's the game's fault").

If your group has trouble and good groups have no trouble, it just might be that the game is not at fault.

The fact is that the game didn't require any skill before, and now it does.

Yet when it suddenly became too hard for YOU, it became "broken". Somehow when content becomes harder everyone is still supposed to clear it easily. Nope. Groups that excel will emerge, and groups that lack skill will emerge. And those who lack skill will cry for broken content, while those who are good will laugh at your face.



i may not have the skill either, but the fact is that many groups have no trouble with any of the content. That doesn't really indicate for broken content. It indicates that some people suck and some people don't.

So...I take it you're one of those that thinks Pandemonium Warden was perfectly fine in FFXI? You know...the NM that only like...5% of the community had beaten? Looks like we have the same situation here. Does this mean that 95% of the players in this game are just terrible and need to quit? No. It means that you need to grow up and show some freaking respect for once. There is obviously something wrong if only a handful of people can complete this thing and even then, they had to try multiple times and had to have the perfect setup. You almost have to be a complete elitist to do the current 45 dungeon.

[SuzakuCMX]

So...I take it you're one of those that thinks Pandemonium Warden was perfectly fine in FFXI? You know...the NM that only like...5% of the community had beaten? Looks like we have the same situation here. Does this mean that 95% of the players in this game are just terrible and need to quit? No. It means that you need to grow up and show some freaking respect for once. There is obviously something wrong if only a handful of people can complete this thing and even then, they had to try multiple times and had to have the perfect setup. You almost have to be a complete elitist to do the current 45 dungeon.

The dungeons were supposed to be content for the hardcore players. There is no problem with having content that is hard to do. There were parties that beat the ogre within 24 hours of release. It is a problem with you, and not with the dungeon.

@Shai: You, ignored. You provide no discussion and instead choose to ignore people based on a biased opinion and the fact you don't like what they're saying because you can't logically come up with a counter argument. You just ignored my question of why you would need more than one raise and instead told me to shut up because I'm not a high level.

[Betelgeuzah]

So...I take it you're one of those that thinks Pandemonium Warden was perfectly fine in FFXI? You know...the NM that only like...5% of the community had beaten? Looks like we have the same situation here. Does this mean that 95% of the players in this game are just terrible and need to quit? No. It means that you need to grow up and show some freaking respect for once. There is obviously something wrong if only a handful of people can complete this thing and even then, they had to try multiple times and had to have the perfect setup. You almost have to be a complete elitist to do the current 45 dungeon.

There is obviously something wrong when only a handful of people can complete this thing within the first few days?

Uhh.. I don't think I agree, nor do I think that this situation resembles Pande Warden even remotely. PW can be given a try maybe once a month, here you have unlimited tries, for one.

Most people can clear this encounter, but not everyone can adapt to the new mechanics in a matter of days. You're not one of the few who have the skill, but you're not a lost cause either. Practice instead of blaming the game for your own shortcomings.