Gardening Issue with Chocobo Raising

[Vespar]

Just reading patch notes and....

Magicked Stable Broom x20

I didn't see the x20 on that. My fears have kind of been confirmed then. Even with 20 a synth, that synth is going to be very pricey. I'm really hoping we'll only have to clean like once a month.. because I would be broke in one synth if I had to buy the mats at the cost they are now... (actually not sure I could even afford that one synth right now lol)

[TomTom1968]

Just reading patch notes and....

Magicked Stable Broom x20
Glazenut
Broombush
Bamboo Stick x5
Wind Cluster
Ice Cluster

Does this mean each craft yields 20 brooms? This feels like a one time use only item. What will be the time frame when we have to clean? Once a day? Once a week? Once a month?

Yuck. I have over looked this part in the Patch notes. So you need to know how to produce Glazenuts to raise your Choccobo? LOL. To raise your Choccobo you need to be a Gardener and a good crafter? Loosing interest in a Level 20 Choccobo more and more. I think I will respec my birdie and leave it at Level 10.

[Haneul]

Magicked Stable Brooms confirmed for consumable, as tested by a crafter in our server.

Now the question really is how long does it take for a stable to become filthy.

Speaking as the only gardener in my FC who breeds (and by ONLY gardener, I mean I am also responsible for mining the Grade 3/Grade 2 Thanalan Topsoil AND the Unspoiled Node seeds, AND the only one who fertilizes them, meaning that's a full-time responsibility and I want to do other things too, you know), breeding into Glazenut is a time-consuming process, and if people actually helped and cooperated (haha yeah right) would maybe take about 2 weeks or less.

As it stands, it's just not feasible right now to even train chocobos until a more reasonable way to clean it has been made accessible. That's just my opinion, though.

I mean I guess you could let your chocobos wallow in filth and keep using the stables. There's always that.

[Haneul]

Adding on to my previous post, I would like to add that with even more testing, the Chocobo stables have turned from Fair to Poor in a manner of days.

My FC got a stable right after patch, and at least one person has trained their chocobo once every hour.

Today is 7/11, so from 7/8 to today and it's already filthy, that's 3 days, so you'd roughly be using 2-3 brooms per week (and that's slow going, considering in other FCs, there could be multiple people training chocobos every hour).

The chocobos stabled in my FC fluctuate from 17 to 20, so my above estimate may not work for FCs with a much higher or lower amount of people. Larger FCs with more chocobos in the stables surely will probably be using more brooms.

Point still stands; the current way to clean stables is awful in regards to the resources it takes to be able to do it.

[Kinseykinz]

Adding on to my previous post, I would like to add that with even more testing, the Chocobo stables have turned from Fair to Poor in a manner of days.

My FC got a stable right after patch, and at least one person has trained their chocobo once every hour.

Today is 7/11, so from 7/8 to today and it's already filthy, that's 3 days, so you'd roughly be using 2-3 brooms per week (and that's slow going, considering in other FCs, there could be multiple people training chocobos every hour).

The chocobos stabled in my FC fluctuate from 17 to 20, so my above estimate may not work for FCs with a much higher or lower amount of people. Larger FCs with more chocobos in the stables surely will probably be using more brooms.

Point still stands; the current way to clean stables is awful in regards to the resources it takes to be able to do it.

I just wanted to say that after only about 3 days of usage between 4 people, our chocobo stable went from Fair to Poor.
I'm shocked because that means you will burn through these brooms at least 2-3 times a week and it takes nearly 3 weeks to crossbreed all the broombrush/glazenuts to make them.

What a disappointing feature that was supposed to be a fun and casual addition to the housing.

2-3 brooms a week/20 brooms

Even if we do the 3 times a week/20 brooms that is still almost 7 weeks of stable cleaning....or you know, 1 and a half months of use from ONE synth....hell, there's people who burn through their top-end gear faster than that.
Also, lets just assume for funzies, that your FC plants one week for glazenuts, one week for broom bush and then cultivates half of them, stores the other half. Sure, that's 3 weeks in the hole (if you only have one bed) buuut, 4x20=80 brooms...or almost 6 months of stable cleaning....from ONE full round of broom mat growing.

So again, the complaining needs to stop. If you're really worried, take the next 1-2 weeks and focus solely on growing the mats for the brooms. You don't need to start from scratch, depending on your server, you might find a good buy on the 2nd level of crossbreed seeds...or even, the actual crop seeds (broombush/glazenuts). Have a guild carpenter make you a 50-100 supply of them, then tuck them away in the FC chest and use as needed. After you take 1-2 weeks to do this, then you can freely grow chocobo food.

I think the larger complaint is 'but now I can't make gil selling because FC mates will be demanding' well...if they aren't actively helping procure the resources, really the individual gardners...or at least the FC should benefit from the efforts put forth in the gardens. IE: charge your FC mates a fee to maintain the stables/craft feed. OR remind them nicely that if they don't help out, they will have to fund the stable/chocobo growth from their own pockets.

I do 100% of my FC gardening. We have enough supplies stockpiled to easily get us through the next month. This is a problem for some FC's only because they didn't plan accordingly OR don't wish to wait the 2-4 weeks it'll take to get truely situated.
If you are a member of a large FC, and you either live in a small plot and/or don't work together to use the resources you have, well that's kinda your FC's management fault. Either upgrade your plot size, work with fellow FC's that are underproducing/have less demand (I have for example contacted a Friends 'solo -it's just him and his close family' FC about working together as needed as he owns a small house and it would be easier for him to focus on food production while I keep us stocked in brooms-and other mats when needed, otherwise growing feed).

Lastly, SE knows that personal housing is around the corner....and people needed some reason to be interested in it. Personal housing likely will open up the markets, and lower costs (or at least let you grow your own). But for now, this is fine...SE does not want everyone and their brother to have a level 20 bird by August. They want this content to last. This is one way to do it...make the mats that unlock it be difficult to obtain, for now. But, finding glazenuts, jute,broombush or their lesser seeds for sale on your world is not hard. There IS a steady supply of the 2.2 seeds, once this all is figured out, their will be a steady supply of chocobo food/mats as well. It will, as many things in life do, just take time.

Or....as a FC you can circumvent the entire mess for now and just sell something, anything that nets you the same profits as the items you need (food and brooms) would cost. You could craft, gather, SB your way to gil. No one says you have to grow your own. These are not rare/ex items...be creative. Work with friends. Be patient.

[Nukocafe]

So again, the complaining needs to stop. If you're really worried, take the next 1-2 weeks and focus solely on growing the mats for the brooms.

That's what we have been doing. However we are a small house and so because we are growing CLEANING materials, we now cannot grow food for our chocobos and once my fc members used up their initial 5 krakka roots they just removed their chocobos from the stable.

Also I want to start growing Jute for making the pillow minion so some of us don't want to constantly be only growing brooms for cleaning stables.There's a lot of things that can be grown with a garden and this basically forces us to only grow exactly the things to actually keep chocobo raising going.

I do 100% of my FC gardening. We have enough supplies stockpiled to easily get us through the next month. This is a problem for some FC's only because they didn't plan accordingly OR don't wish to wait the 2-4 weeks it'll take to get truely situated.

So because you were "prepared" and are doing fine & dandy, everyone else should be punished. Okay.ಠ_ಠ

P.S. This isn't the only complaint thread and I checked Japanese forums, they are complaining about the same thing. Stop telling people to "stop complaining" when it's obviously an issue that's affecting the quality of a game system for many people.

P.P.S. We bought our house about a month ago and have been crossbreeding glazenuts/broombrush since day 1. It's been a month and we got our glazenuts/seeds and are now working on broombrushes. We did this with the intention of making minions and never did we think that it would be a 1 time use item that's necessary for chocobo raising. If you magically predicted it, then you must have psychic powers!

[ThomasGallant]

if it were to make sense, the rate that it gets dirty depends on how many chocobos are stabled, and how much time they spend there, so anywhere from "very often" to "every once in awhile" ( terms that are as well defined as "soon").

[Niqote]

if it were to make sense, the rate that it gets dirty depends on how many chocobos are stabled, and how much time they spend there, so anywhere from "very often" to "every once in awhile" ( terms that are as well defined as "soon").

So judging by the information...
150 'bos - one stable = a LOT of food.
Therefore needs more cleaning - which takes up supposedly much needed Garden space to produce both Glaze and Broombush.

*Sigh* I hope this is a lot better then it looks. Feels like it is far too much hassle and we might as well ignore the stable in favour of combat raising at this point.

I would have thought there would be a default food or an alternative way to get the food like an NPC/GC/what have you, but it clearly states you must have one of the new vegetables which are produced from the garden. Not 'of which one way top obtain is through gardening'.

[Manuka]

So judging by the information...
150 'bos - one stable = a LOT of food.
Therefore needs more cleaning - which takes up supposedly much needed Garden space to produce both Glaze and Broombush.

That depends on whether your FC leader allows that many people to stable their choco's in the first place. I think a lot of people didn't catch the little blurp in the Free Companies section that states the ability to stable and train others' chocobo's has been added to the authorization window. In other words like gardening the lower tiers won't have access to the stables unless given permission, which considering the rarity of mats needed I can see that being a valid reason for large FC's to lock people out.

[Niqote]

That depends on whether your FC leader allows that many people to stable their choco's in the first place. I think a lot of people didn't catch the little blurp in the Free Companies section that states the ability to stable and train others' chocobo's has been added to the authorization window. In other words like gardening the lower tiers won't have access to the stables unless given permission, which considering the rarity of mats needed I can see that being a valid reason for large FC's to lock people out.

Oh... It did not cross my mind that the implementation of a system (supposedly for everyone in a FC) could be so restrictive; that a FC might even lock people out of even trying to do it simply to conserve the limited resources.

I always try to look on the bright side, but this is not looking very good at all.

I can't help but feel these would not be problems at all if
1. the brooms were made of straw and walnut etc instead and
2. the seeds can be gathered directly instead of cross bred.

I am still hoping for number 2 to be true.