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  1. #41
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    ziddyt's Avatar
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    Apollo Dioscuri
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    Malboro
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    Pugilist Lv 81
    I don't understand the rage against a suggestion to tweak aoe dps balance after this. It seems like it would be logical. Everyone always said "BLM is supposed to be weaker, it's the trade-off for their AOE damage."

    But now that the raiding content isn't geared toward that balance, the need for a ST buff seems to throw that out the window. I realize they will still be behind melee, but if they're now much more competitive in ST damage, I don't see why other classes shouldn't end up more competitive in AOE damage.

    I don't buy the "who cares AOE doesn't matter in end-game" argument either. For one, it's just not a good reason to not work toward a balance. If they don't ever do it and then do make another T4 or something, then BLM becomes arguably too valuable. Plus, it's kindof a straight lie anyway. Pretty much any BLM will claim to get a significant dps increase by getting opportunities to flare even a couple targets (bulbs, dreads).

    In any case, it doesn't matter. The majority of the game's content is not end-game. You spend just as much, if not more time in Bray speedruns capping your soldiery or getting myth for alts/relic etc. It's not insane that you should want to play your main job without much of a loss of efficiency in light of these buffs. Is there an absurdly huge difference between a BLM and non-BLM SR? No, but it's significant and min/maxing matters to a lot of the community.
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  2. #42
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    Akio Sakiro
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    Shiva
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparktacus View Post
    While I realize it does not come til tomorrow, the math is pretty self-evident. You give the king of AOE, a class that can easily parse over 1300 on trash dungeon runs, the ability to put out the same single target DPS as a melee class, and ST dps equal to or over the other magical class (SMN), there is literally no reason to bring anything else. Before you start with the SMN can raise... so what? Most would say, don't die in the first place. I am not sure why they went with a straight dps boost instead of manipulating their abilities and procs to increase dps which is what should have happened. But I hope the devs are keeping a close eye on this going forward. It was mentioned by the devs that all single target DPS were getting a boost to compensate, and we did not. SMN pet boosts were a joke and Garuda will still be the only one used. I fear a huge issue of balance is about to happen.
    Because it's square enix
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  3. #43
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    Azul Earendil
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    Shiva
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    In my opinion, the "BLM is not good for Raid" is bul*****

    I am always delivering acceptable DPS Scores.. sure, could be more, but sometimes you just have to move, but if you really master a blackmage, it is mastering how and when you move... (okay, really some RNG dependance, but that´s the whole game about)

    But sure enough, i appreciate the buff, so fellow blackmages will become more viable...
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  4. #44
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    wicked-one's Avatar
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    Azul Earendil
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    Shiva
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparktacus View Post
    I am not sure why they went with a straight dps boost instead of manipulating their abilities and procs to increase dps which is what should have happened.
    Who said this should have happened... ;-)
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  5. #45
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    Adamantium's Avatar
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    Adamant Ackerman
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    Leviathan
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by wicked-one View Post
    Who said this should have happened... ;-)
    Everyone who is tired of having Firestarter and Thundercloud procs munched.
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  6. #46
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    Maero's Avatar
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Yes exactly as others have said why nerf aoe for blm?
    Aoe is what makes our class what it is, nerf then would anyone want blm's at all anymore?
    Monks will always have the most st damage so what is the issue here? True i can do more st damage then alot of dragoons i have seen out there
    but may just very well be because of player skill of those individuals.
    Like seriously some of you complaining want some cheese?
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  7. #47
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    Vivi Stargazer
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    Odin
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Oh noes, the Black Mages do 10% more damage and have superior AoE that is useless expect for dungeons. NERF THEM DURRRRR
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  8. #48
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    Aleksandr Deicide
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    Cactuar
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    Marauder Lv 70
    They did actually nerf our AoE dps by messing with the mana tick after Flare... Basically the same thing they did with Fire 3.

    So, hope everyone's happy now. AoE rotation is weaker, and clunky again.
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  9. #49
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    Vivi Stargazer
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    Odin
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    On a more serious note, some of you don't know what you're talking about. I consider myself to be a more than decent Black Mage. Parsing From 290 on T7 to 380 on T8. I play my class very well and I am in a group who know their classes equally well. There is a DRG, SMN and BRD. Both the Dragoon and SMN have more DPS on T8 while they are on duty! Can you believe it? I stand still, doing perfect rotations, the proc Gods are upon me and I still could not outparse them. The BRD is the only one below me but only because he is playing Requiem, Paeon and sometimes Mage Ballad. On all the other turns but T7 where he kites, even the BRD could outparse me. And now there are some people that dare to oppose this 8-9% buff? I want to feel the merrit of mastering my class just as well or even better than DRG, SMN and BRD do, thank you. Are you telling me I can not have an equal amount of DPS for mastering my class just as well? With these current buffs BLM still is below SMN and DRG.
    And AoE? Really, that's cute. The SMN has far better AoE in second coil. They just have to use Bane on the adds in T7, on the Bulbs in T6 on the Dragon in T9 on the Dreadnoughts in T8. You want me to Fire II those? No, only Flare is optional and it's much less of a DPS increase than for a SMN
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    Last edited by ViviAnimus; 07-10-2014 at 12:01 AM.

  10. #50
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    Kha'tan Moapaln
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 67
    I'm happy for the BLM buffs (do not have one and will not play one). They needed it to be on par for SCOB. My previous static's BLM played a diff DPS class half the time due to pulling better dps even with a bit lower gear. This is kinda sad...

    Yes they are kings of content that is not hard for any group make up (other than being a few mins slower) but dead last in content that does matter... I'm glad they did something. Cheers BLMs.
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