So uh... what makes elite hunts different from a FATE then?

[Starplayer]

Topic. I guess we will see in a day, but right now it sounds like elite marks are just variations of the Odin/Behemoth FATE that will get swarmed by half the server at pop.

I see what the OP is getting at. If there is no claim system, how is this any different from FATES? Because they are tougher to find and they aren't in a purple area? I can see people shouting on a map when one of these babies spawn and then everyone and their mother zerg it and kill it within seconds.

And so what if we want to discuss it now before it comes out? Isn't that what we do here on the forums? And going on Yoshi's explanation of this new hunt, it's not hard to see what it will be like.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

What I don't understand is how its the SAME as fates? Its a completely different system with different goals and rewards and monsters. So basically, the ONLY thing that makes them even remotely similar is the fact that there is no claim to it. Why this surprises people when Yoshi-P has said on multiple occasions that this is his personal vision baffles me. He's not going to create content that is going to exclude any part of the community, which is exactly what a claiming system would do.

[Ultimatecalibur]

I see what the OP is getting at. If there is no claim system, how is this any different from FATES? Because they are tougher to find and they aren't in a purple area? I can see people shouting on a map when one of these babies spawn and then everyone and their mother zerg it and kill it within seconds.

They will all be level 50, they will be in remote areas of various (high level and low level) zones. S rank elite marks are likely designed to handle parties of i90+. Zerging is likely to be suicidal beyond even Odin.

[Starlord]

What I don't understand is how its the SAME as fates? Its a completely different system with different goals and rewards and monsters. So basically, the ONLY thing that makes them even remotely similar is the fact that there is no claim to it. Why this surprises people when Yoshi-P has said on multiple occasions that this is his personal vision baffles me. He's not going to create content that is going to exclude any part of the community, which is exactly what a claiming system would do.

Not to mention once the Honeymoon phases comes and goes, you more than likely need to form a group for them instead of hearing people shout IT'S HERE! :P.

[DoctorPepper]

Personally I'm hoping that the one major difference is in the difficulty, I don't want to see FATEs 2.0 either myself so I'm hoping that the elite marks are very challenging fights and that the difficulty can scale with something like the number or people in the zone or something along those lines.

For me, my personal grudge against FATEs has everything to do with the lack of difficulty to do them. Due to the lack of difficulty I find them extremely boring and repetitive, but I would love to see some open world bosses with challenging mechanics that prevent them from just being zerged to death. I would even love to see a boss or 2 that are so hard we can't beat them without an extreme level of coordination between multiple FCs.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Not to mention once the Honeymoon phases comes and goes, you more than likely need to form a group for them instead of hearing people shout IT'S HERE! :P.

Also, there is always the possibility that less people will be hunting these targets down as it gets later and later in the week. Maybe I'll wait til Monday night just before reset to wrangle some people down to try this out and see if it is less zergy.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

He's not going to create content that is going to exclude any part of the community

Tell that to PvP players losing their ranks for having to change GC to play with friends.

[ruinedmirage]

Personally I'm hoping that the one major difference is in the difficulty, I don't want to see FATEs 2.0 either myself so I'm hoping that the elite marks are very challenging fights and that the difficulty can scale with something like the number or people in the zone or something along those lines.

For me, my personal grudge against FATEs has everything to do with the lack of difficulty to do them. Due to the lack of difficulty I find them extremely boring and repetitive, but I would love to see some open world bosses with challenging mechanics that prevent them from just being zerged to death. I would even love to see a boss or 2 that are so hard we can't beat them without an extreme level of coordination between multiple FCs.

Aren't Odin and Behemoth supposed to be elder primals or something. And people are expecting simple monsters to require MORE skill than defeating a Primal?! Uh....... no problem here, I guess...? Now you have to ask yourself if FFXIV prides itself more on the lore (see SMN thread) or its players and keeping them happy. Honestly, I don't know. Anything more than a zergfest seems kind of farfetched.

[Haibel]

Tell that to PvP players losing their ranks for having to change GC to play with friends.

Hate to tell yeah. That's not exclusion. That's called Choice and sacrifice.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Tell that to PvP players losing their ranks for having to change GC to play with friends.

Its not even close to the same thing.