So uh... what makes elite hunts different from a FATE then?

[Starlord]

Basically, FATEs but you have no idea where they are located untill you run into them. the NM's don't spawn in the same spot every time, so it will make it difficult for a zerging to happen ( at least for the first half of the fight lol). Or unless people start shouting IT'S HERE <pos> LOL.

Edit: Harder versions of FATEs without calling them FATEs.

[Starplayer]

Topic. I guess we will see in a day, but right now it sounds like elite marks are just variations of the Odin/Behemoth FATE that will get swarmed by half the server at pop.

I see what the OP is getting at. If there is no claim system, how is this any different from FATES? Because they are tougher to find and they aren't in a purple area? I can see people shouting on a map when one of these babies spawn and then everyone and their mother zerg it and kill it within seconds.

And so what if we want to discuss it now before it comes out? Isn't that what we do here on the forums? And going on Yoshi's explanation of this new hunt, it's not hard to see what it will be like.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

What I don't understand is how its the SAME as fates? Its a completely different system with different goals and rewards and monsters. So basically, the ONLY thing that makes them even remotely similar is the fact that there is no claim to it. Why this surprises people when Yoshi-P has said on multiple occasions that this is his personal vision baffles me. He's not going to create content that is going to exclude any part of the community, which is exactly what a claiming system would do.

[Starlord]

What I don't understand is how its the SAME as fates? Its a completely different system with different goals and rewards and monsters. So basically, the ONLY thing that makes them even remotely similar is the fact that there is no claim to it. Why this surprises people when Yoshi-P has said on multiple occasions that this is his personal vision baffles me. He's not going to create content that is going to exclude any part of the community, which is exactly what a claiming system would do.

Not to mention once the Honeymoon phases comes and goes, you more than likely need to form a group for them instead of hearing people shout IT'S HERE! :P.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Not to mention once the Honeymoon phases comes and goes, you more than likely need to form a group for them instead of hearing people shout IT'S HERE! :P.

Also, there is always the possibility that less people will be hunting these targets down as it gets later and later in the week. Maybe I'll wait til Monday night just before reset to wrangle some people down to try this out and see if it is less zergy.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

He's not going to create content that is going to exclude any part of the community

Tell that to PvP players losing their ranks for having to change GC to play with friends.

[Haibel]

Tell that to PvP players losing their ranks for having to change GC to play with friends.

Hate to tell yeah. That's not exclusion. That's called Choice and sacrifice.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Tell that to PvP players losing their ranks for having to change GC to play with friends.

Its not even close to the same thing.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

Its not even close to the same thing.

Hate to tell yeah. That's not exclusion. That's called Choice and sacrifice.

That is exclusion, you make players not able to participate of certain content because they play another. Don`t go arround white knighting please. This game isn`t made for everyone to do everything with everyone. And surely hunts shouldn`t be.

[Felis]

Tell that to PvP players losing their ranks for having to change GC to play with friends.

They don't lose the ranks. It is still there in the old GC while they build up a new rank in the new GC.
Excluding them from pvp in this example would be if they can't use the old ranks and can't build up a new rank.

About claim or not to claim

free running open world enemies = no claim (in this game we use kill sharing, so don't be surprised suddenly. Everyone can attack. The claimer need only to attack once, the others need to do at least enough dmg)
force poped enemies = party/player reserved enemies (but you would know then where it is, no hunting down)