PLD dealing with these rediculous speedrun parties... A little help?

[Codek]

Hmmm, lets see. One question at a time.

1) Currently have the Atma weapon, stat wise it's equal to zenith so not super great. But there's no real quick improvement i can get :/

2) I dont actually shield lob everything. I shield lob one thing and run through a group flashing them on the way over to my intended tanking location.

3) I usually lose monsters about halfway into the fight.

4) Jobs? Anything really, some days it's a black mage, but i can blame that on not using quelling strikes. I've seen Dragoons do it too. I do look for Regen being up from WHM, but it rarely is when i lose it.

5) The Halone Combo. I've switched off to it at times, but as soon as i focus on one, the enmity on the others is going down too fast to keep up. So i basicly have to keep AoE'ing or i lose it.

6) It's possible my flash doesnt hit everything while i run through them, but i dont know. That seems a bit too simple.

Ya, it definitely sounds like it's just a few outliers in the group of mobs that are just getting missed for what ever reason.They could just be late to the gathering so they may not feel the effects from the early flash or a missed hit while tagging the groups.


I'm going to assume that the group as a whole is getting well established on threat. I'd suggest that while your spamming flash, to cycle through the mobs and get an idea of where they all stand on the threat tables. If you can identify the ones that have DD's catching up on you, then you can easily isolate the issue and dump more threat into those specific ones. If you come across a situation where literally every mob in the pull is about to fall off of you, then those DD's are getting some serious procs early in the pull (or just flat out ignoring quelling strikes). God help you if this is the case...

If that doesn't help, that I'd say to just shield lob literally every mob along the pulling path. This will cut down on the need to flash while running and allow more flash spams while they are all grouped up. The difference is not much but I find it easier to search through targets for weak links when I can spam flash for a longer duration.

[AlrikRouge]

I SR on this as PLD. There's 5 groups for the first major pull (not counting the last 2 mobs B4 the boss). I shield lob every mob as I go. After the first 3 groups, I pop a CD while still running. I only flash the 4th group while running to the last Big Kitty, shield lob, run to the stream and stop. Count to 1 second, pop HG, Circle of Scorn, then flash until empty, ensuring I'm in the middle of the mob group. Once HG is down to 1 second (about 3-4 flashes), I pop sentinel and Blood for Blood, then RB combo and flash each time I have the MP to do so, dodging the AoEs. If needed, pop bulwark and rampart.

[AlrikRouge]

Oh.

All this fails 75% of the time if the healer also doesn't keep paralysis off me as I miss on flash use and dodging AoEs. But key note is being in the middle of the group so flash hits all and the mobs get hit by all our AoEs by staying together. Dodging their AoEs does take priority so you don't die, but have to make sure your flash hits everyone as well.

And I've done this with DRG, BRD, BLM, SMN and WHM combinations successfully. Fastest group kill is double BLM and SMN for me. Fastest run has been SMN or WHM, DRG and BLM.

[PetiteMalFleur]

I assume you are trying to do brayflox sr. As PLD I had a lot of issues holding mobs at first. What worked for me is I lob the first 6 mobs as I ran through. I then hit sprint to the next pack. I flash the small pack of 3 at the bottom of the ramp and lob the coeurl. I take them all up the ramp and tuck them into the little area on the other side of the stream. Hit HG and spam flash making sure I'm hitting the stragglers in the back. Move through the pack to avoid aoe while flashing.

Minimize flash when grabbing mobs on your way. You want a full mana pool for when the dps unload. Don't face pull. Once grouped keep as many in front of you as possible to prevent back and flank attacks which do a lot more damage.

For the second big pull I just face pull the first group, voke the mobs in the back and group up with the 3 in the corner then spam flash. Sometimes I sprint to get there faster.

[Jubez187]

cover whoever takes aggro

[ZechsRaganrock]

You don't even need to bother with shield lob.

Sprint as soon as you reach the second pack, go up the ramp and to the right just before the little river, this is where you do your first flash.

As half the mobs get their do one flash, let the rest gather and do ur second flash and circle of scorn. Spam flash until u are out, poping cd's between flashes.

After this move onto ur riot combo, every riot combo, throw a flash. If u flash as u are running through them all, u are wasting mana flashing a few mobs at a time, the trick is to try and flash all the mobs U are tanking from full mana. It helps if the healer has the nerve to hold off healing until the mobs have gathered.

But it sounds to me like your main problem is u are flashing
on route to ur tanking location.

[Kaven]

2) I dont actually shield lob everything. I shield lob one thing and run through a group flashing them on the way over to my intended tanking location.

If you're having problems with losing threat on a few straggling mobs then you need to revise #2) , I shield lob pretty much everything and save my MP for spamming when we've grouped up all the mobs.

Potentially those 1 or 2 flashes you've spent when running through mobs are the flashes that will determine whether you hold aggro or not. Without sounding somewhat egotistical but running and shield lobbing each mob isn't a hard skill to master and the TP pool is less important than your MP pool when you come to a standstill with so many mobs on you.

After about 4-5 abilities (split them between mobs) you'll have enough MP for another Flash but I usually split FB / Riot Blade and then Flash, rinse repeat.

People have their own way of doing things, and there's always different variables
*Flash hits all mobs
*Healer Asuna/Leeche's Paralyze
*Split your combo between mobs
*FB/Riot Blade/Flash spam

Pretty much every way will work independently to the person and the group composition you're in.

[Giantbane]

It feels a Paladin that isnt allowed to use it's 3-skill enmity combo is pathetic when it comes to dealing with anything in a group. Especially with Circle of Scorn having no real enmity modifiers as well.
Whenever i'm on my Black Mage, i can see Warriors throw around Overpower's and Flashes and nothing between here and Dalamut can get the monster's attention off him. Even if he's holding 10 of them at once. But that's a warrior, once i take up that same spot on Paladin, stuff just goes everywhere and nothing short of comparing their mothers to Goobbues gets them back towards you (for a second)

The short answer for now is "Roll a Warrior"

A PLD is just thoroughly outclassed in both AoE threat and damage by the WAR. The biggest issue is that all of a WARs damage buffs (unchained, berserk, maim, inner release) as well as its crit rating all serve to boost overpower beyond its base ability. You can also supplement this (depending on how you're running things) with the very powerful (in both threat and damage) steel cyclone. And it's doing damage in the process.

The PLD has nothing that boosts flash, so they get left behind in the process. And the PLD is doing very little damage during this time (only circle of scorn).

At least all of the SLD and High Allagan gear can be used by both classes so it's pretty easy to switch between them once they're leveled!

[RayneBoemir]

I don't have problems with threat unless somehow a mob was attacked before I had a chance to flash spam it. Are you using riot blade to regenerate mp and spamming flash again that's how I do it

[ExiaQuanta]

One of the issues i see with the flash is that it sometimes doesnt really "Flash" where the PLD wanst it to. If they hit it early and while it may look like u "flash" within the group. it actually "flashed" outside the group. For instance you're running straight at a group of mobs. You hit flash right before you're in the middle of the group. it flashes but only 1 of them gets flashed while the other 2 arent. Sometimes, ya just gotta confirm that u see a bunch of Flash txt to appear.