PLD dealing with these rediculous speedrun parties... A little help?

[BobbinT]

I'm assuming this would be brayflox HM speed run, correct? since there's blm & brd there.

Tanking's not my main job, and PLD's especially kinda a bit tricky compared with WAR for maintaining aggro for large mob group. The key is to spam flash several times, like 2-3 times for opener, then Circle of Scorn, then spam several flash again but make sure not draining your MP all the way, about 1-2 flash should be enough, and then rotate your Rage of Halone combo on each mobs. Don't forget to keep using Circle of Scorn when it's cooldown are over and maybe slip another flash between if you recovered a bit MP for it. This would become easy once you're accustomed to it. ^^

When I'm in rush of needing quick myths, I usually tanking those.

[Solrak]

Im telling this as a War, but im pretty sure it works almost the same...

First rule is the one already told in this thread... If you don't have 2 big aoe dps ( brd and blm ) don't speed run. Then if you have any other job, Pull 2 or 3 groups and MARK enemies, is something ppl forget just because they are speed running, and that's incorrect. Mark so if you have a mnk or a drg you are going to know which enemy is going to go down first

After that just spam things.., remember to spam many of your ogcd as you are going to take less dmg and healer hate it's going to grow at slower pace.

Another question, do you move while tanking groups? This is completely necessary to avoid aoes and to reach everything with flashes.

[Nicole_Valkyrie]

Are you using flash and the combo that gives you MP constantly? It's because just spaming flash doens't work. You need to be almost constantly using flash and the MP combo. Not the TP but the MP combo. Use it when you have 3 or more enemies. The TP combo just works until 2 or 3 enemies. If you are always flashing you can keep the enemity for you and if some enemy turns to other member, use provoke, shield lob and when the enemy comes to you use flash. Also, use circle of scorn always when you can, shield swipe and fight or flight

[Nicole_Valkyrie]

Warrior is not that BETTER than Paladin. Warrior wasn't made to use flash so it is obvious that if he uses flash it will help him to be an even more better tank. It's like WoW, you have: warrior, paladin and death knight. Each one tanks but each one has diferent ways to do it. You just need to adapt to each one

[AlrikRouge]

I SR on this as PLD. There's 5 groups for the first major pull (not counting the last 2 mobs B4 the boss). I shield lob every mob as I go. After the first 3 groups, I pop a CD while still running. I only flash the 4th group while running to the last Big Kitty, shield lob, run to the stream and stop. Count to 1 second, pop HG, Circle of Scorn, then flash until empty, ensuring I'm in the middle of the mob group. Once HG is down to 1 second (about 3-4 flashes), I pop sentinel and Blood for Blood, then RB combo and flash each time I have the MP to do so, dodging the AoEs. If needed, pop bulwark and rampart.

[AlrikRouge]

Oh.

All this fails 75% of the time if the healer also doesn't keep paralysis off me as I miss on flash use and dodging AoEs. But key note is being in the middle of the group so flash hits all and the mobs get hit by all our AoEs by staying together. Dodging their AoEs does take priority so you don't die, but have to make sure your flash hits everyone as well.

And I've done this with DRG, BRD, BLM, SMN and WHM combinations successfully. Fastest group kill is double BLM and SMN for me. Fastest run has been SMN or WHM, DRG and BLM.

[PetiteMalFleur]

I assume you are trying to do brayflox sr. As PLD I had a lot of issues holding mobs at first. What worked for me is I lob the first 6 mobs as I ran through. I then hit sprint to the next pack. I flash the small pack of 3 at the bottom of the ramp and lob the coeurl. I take them all up the ramp and tuck them into the little area on the other side of the stream. Hit HG and spam flash making sure I'm hitting the stragglers in the back. Move through the pack to avoid aoe while flashing.

Minimize flash when grabbing mobs on your way. You want a full mana pool for when the dps unload. Don't face pull. Once grouped keep as many in front of you as possible to prevent back and flank attacks which do a lot more damage.

For the second big pull I just face pull the first group, voke the mobs in the back and group up with the 3 in the corner then spam flash. Sometimes I sprint to get there faster.

[Jubez187]

cover whoever takes aggro

[ZechsRaganrock]

You don't even need to bother with shield lob.

Sprint as soon as you reach the second pack, go up the ramp and to the right just before the little river, this is where you do your first flash.

As half the mobs get their do one flash, let the rest gather and do ur second flash and circle of scorn. Spam flash until u are out, poping cd's between flashes.

After this move onto ur riot combo, every riot combo, throw a flash. If u flash as u are running through them all, u are wasting mana flashing a few mobs at a time, the trick is to try and flash all the mobs U are tanking from full mana. It helps if the healer has the nerve to hold off healing until the mobs have gathered.

But it sounds to me like your main problem is u are flashing
on route to ur tanking location.

[Giantbane]

It feels a Paladin that isnt allowed to use it's 3-skill enmity combo is pathetic when it comes to dealing with anything in a group. Especially with Circle of Scorn having no real enmity modifiers as well.
Whenever i'm on my Black Mage, i can see Warriors throw around Overpower's and Flashes and nothing between here and Dalamut can get the monster's attention off him. Even if he's holding 10 of them at once. But that's a warrior, once i take up that same spot on Paladin, stuff just goes everywhere and nothing short of comparing their mothers to Goobbues gets them back towards you (for a second)

The short answer for now is "Roll a Warrior"

A PLD is just thoroughly outclassed in both AoE threat and damage by the WAR. The biggest issue is that all of a WARs damage buffs (unchained, berserk, maim, inner release) as well as its crit rating all serve to boost overpower beyond its base ability. You can also supplement this (depending on how you're running things) with the very powerful (in both threat and damage) steel cyclone. And it's doing damage in the process.

The PLD has nothing that boosts flash, so they get left behind in the process. And the PLD is doing very little damage during this time (only circle of scorn).

At least all of the SLD and High Allagan gear can be used by both classes so it's pretty easy to switch between them once they're leveled!