Another patch - no change to the Atma drop system

[Avarghaladion]

Honestly The atma grind is nothing compared to previous grinds in MMO's. 1 its RNG your going to luck out or not. Campared to FFXI relic gridn this is cake, and don't complain about time invest vs reward because all the time you spent grinding for Atma you might have beaten coil 2 or something. The grind is long simply for the sole fact that your are casually playing to progress your character instead of straight up death memorization and group syncing to win. Welcome to MMO's if you don't like it it will never change, the grind is real despite how you don't want it to be.

No, it's not better than FFXI relic grind. In FFXI you made constant progress by doing fun and potentially challenging endgame content as part of a team with the side benefit of earning your AF2 in the process. It required coordination, long-term planning and organization, and leadership. Even the upgrade quests to take your relic up to higher levels weren't nearly as bad because every EP kill was progress, not RNG retardation. Hell even nerfed Dynamis was better than this Atma crap because at least the mobs could kill you if you weren't careful. If someone dies farming Atma they must have fallen asleep at the wheel or had a stroke in real life. FFXI relics were by far the best weapons in the game whereas in FFXIV relic weapons are generally tied for best weapon. At any rate, it's about content quality, not the reward itself.

The vast majority of people upset about Atma aren't "casuals" and hundreds of hours spent intensely spamming FATEs is hundreds of hours spent intensely spamming FATEs, no matter how you slice it. RNG =/= grind. RNG is RNG. Bad content is bad content.

[Zeroblade]

I really hate the Atma drop system.

1 month.

It took me 1 month to get 1 Atma.

Whenever I could, I played everyday and stayed in Middle La Norseca to get just 1 drop. Clearly, I'm not happy about this. I don't mind having quests that require an item with a chance drop rate. I do mind when its unfair and wastes my time like this. There's a goal that people see and the conditions are clear enough to acheive said goal . This however spits at anyone's efforts. "Go get the other weapon." is an excuse. Someone may be using their soildery to get body gear over the weapon first, having trouble clearing coil or even just getting Levi weapon. These are just examples and the funny thing is, all of these alternatives are "easier" to obtain over the Atma path which is an "inferior" weapon! So why is the Atma drop rate (followed by the books...) is so damn hard???

I began Atma farming in early May. As of 7/9/14, I have 2 Atmas left to upgrade my first relic.

[Zaero]

Yay. More "WAAATMA" threads. And I've only got 4.

[ShiroSteve]

SE has done something about the ATMA grind. They've given you a very reasonable alternative way of obtaining gear that you would otherwise have to raid for. If you want a novus, you're gonna have to go through the grind. That's how it works. If you just want a i110 weapon and can't do coil: Good news! SE is handing them out for a few days worth of work now.

[Avarghaladion]

SE has done something about the ATMA grind. They've given you a very reasonable alternative way of obtaining gear that you would otherwise have to raid for. If you want a novus, you're gonna have to go through the grind. That's how it works.

No, that's how it works until it's nerfed like every single other aspect of the game always is, has been, and will be. You have to be either lucky, obsessed, or short sighted to not realize that the precious "grind' is going to be gimped into oblivion, as it should be, in relatively short order. Even worse, the pre-nerf is absurd compared to what the post-nerf will be in order for a healthy enough percentage of the playerbase to enjoy future progression, especially considering the weapons aren't even especially good. This isn't FFXI where relic >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all else. In FFXIV, relic is caught up in a perpetual two to three way tie for bis. Additionally, as I've already stated, it's not about the weapon itself or alternatives at all... it's about being sold garbage anti-content designed specifically to bog players down in fear that people will unsubscribe from the game if they aren't constantly bashing their heads against some sort of uninspired tripe of a grindwall.

[KudzaiKuzan]

RNG needs a buff asap, its currently just a lottery, i would like to grind fates for an hour or 2 and at least know i will get something because thats a more sensible way to say look to did this for a certain amount of time heres your reward, you've earned it! it shouldnt have had to be any more complicated than that because now these hunts are allowing people to be ilvl 110 within 2 days because for every hunt theres a reward so why couldnt they have started atma's off with this concept?

[ZephyrAM]

They're not going to buff the ATMA drops until they've moved far enough ahead in progression that the grind is no longer valid, and then they'll make it easier just to allow players to catch up. They're perfectly content with where things are right now, and I honestly don't see ATMA changing until the 3.0 expansion.

[Ahzarhuuk]

If you cancel your sub over atma.....idk what to say. Must be some sad lazy souls.

It's funny how people can say they go 50 hours without a drop and people will still say nonsense like this.

When the only form of success is Luck, effort is irrelevant.

[MrKusakabe]

This is almost a month old but while waiting for the fates to refresh... IMO:

1) RNG. Basically, it is even possible to get no drop at all as long as I live. Even though that is luck and I can not blame Square Enix for me not getting anything, but as said, it's just ridiculous to see that your effort are rewarded with a kick in your butt while the guy living next to you get them easily within 12 hours...

2) The way we spent our time. Fates are most annoying things: Being downscaled, not able to use the skills you are used to, running around the map, getting stuck in obstacles like fences or small rocks because you have the map open to check out what way you going to take. You scale down, hit a few mobs and restart. Over. And. Over. And. Over. Even with Hangover in TV and good music this is just a terrible experience. I think I am waiting for it to be more reasonable (not necessarily easier!) obtainable. It's like the big Myth inflation that happened a few weeks ago.

[monochromicorn]

i can handle just about any grind, and, while i will continue to complain about atma, i am still doing it. i wen three months of grinding since i started, and i finally got my first atma last week. thats 3 months of 2 hour grind sessions every day thats 60 hours every month, for 3 months. 180 total. now, you try grinding that much and see whos a lazy, sad soul.

the drop rates need to be adjusted. having such a low drop rate is a terrible idea, and leaving it to luck is even worse.i will hate the atma grind because it is a terrible idea. there is no reason i should have to grind for almost 200 hours for ONE atma drop. i got the 100 weapon for PLD in 2 days, and used the seals to buy the logs, trade them in and get my 110 weapon.