SMN's Egi Appearances ~ one final, humble request

[Dwill]

Stop derailing the thread, you've been asked enough.

Idc what kind of numbers argument you have, just share your opinion about SMN Egi's or stop coming here.

Thanks Ghastly.

Thread isn't being derailed, I was just correcting your dubious statement that a vast amount of players are disatisfied which was untrue and misleading to the topic at hand.

Dismiss numbers and factual arguments if you like, but it would help your case more if you guys had some arguments to back up your stances other than we want it.

I've said my peace on the matter, if you guys want to continue having fun banging your head against a wall, enjoy.

[ruinedmirage]

You might try the "I'm offended by this" method. It worked for one of the achievements or titles, and only took 3 likes before the devs caved to it.

[Spellbinder]

You can say people are "banging their heads" against the wall if you'd like, but in certain instances "we want it." is all it takes if enough people are in support of something.

Take Warrior for example. People lamented on the forums on how it needed to be enhanced. You know what the initial response from the Devs was? The job was fine, and people needed to learn to play better. But people persisted and lo and behold, changes were made.

As for the matter of giving the Egi a cosmetic face lift, changes of this sort are not without precedent as I've stated in the past.

Although it took place before FFXIV: ARR, the size of monsters, as well as the effects of spells and actions were made larger in patches 1.16 and 1.17. Why? Because players were dissatisfied.

There's no harm in letting players show their support for changes within reason, so I say go for it.

[SionDurant]

Coming from Final Fantasy 11 where the summons looked really good; its sad to see that garuda looks like nothing more than a booger with wings.

I adored the FFXI Summons, thought the way they functioned and the way they looked was amazing. I was legitimately let down when I finished leveling my Summoner to 50 in game.

I do however love FFXIV so I've mostly tried to just deal with it, but still it hurts -wipes a tear-.

Hopefully the rumor about evolving Egi's comes true.

[Ghastly]

You can say people are "banging their heads" against the wall if you'd like, but in certain instances "we want it." is all it takes if enough people are in support of something.

Take Warrior for example. People lamented on the forums on how it needed to be enhanced. You know what the initial response from the Devs was? The job was fine, and people needed to learn to play better. But people persisted and lo and behold, changes were made.

As for the matter of giving the Egi a cosmetic face lift, changes of this sort are not without precedent as I've stated in the past.

Although it took place before FFXIV: ARR, the size of monsters, as well as the effects of spells and actions were made larger in patches 1.16 and 1.17. Why? Because players were dissatisfied.

There's no harm in letting players show their support for changes within reason, so I say go for it.

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And thank you to the trolls who stopped derailing the topic and said their "peace"

[MageBlack]

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And thank you to the trolls who stopped derailing the topic and said their "peace"

Your welcome. We were helping keep the post bumped.

I have clicked "like" on this OP as i did with the other ones of a similar topic (before I even commented the first time). I'm not opposed to the idea of changes to the summons, in fact I like the one visual diagram that's been floating around since 2.0 release. I guess I just don't see the current system as being the "final product"

imho FFXIV:ARR is still in "Beta" and will be until the first payed expansion. Not sure how long you have been a part of this game/community but I have been around since 1.0 Beta so I have seen the plans Yoshi-P has for the game and there are still core systems he has yet to introduce let alone flush out and expand upon.

I remember when the mobs changed size, that was awesome. So I know its not outside their capability to increase the size but for more drastic changes like increased textures and different models and having titan/ifrit walk on the ground, that would take more work than it would be worth to implement and something that could be slated for a side project.

As for "they havent deleted the thread so we have hope" they only delete threads that are of a volatile nature or otherwise break forum rules, they arent going to delete it because they wont entertain the suggestion. Again good luck and I just wanted you guys to get the rest of my position so you dont think i'm just here to troll and berate your opinions. Sorry for coming across that way.

[Dwill]

Take Warrior for example. People lamented on the forums on how it needed to be enhanced. You know what the initial response from the Devs was? The job was fine, and people needed to learn to play better. But people persisted and lo and behold, changes were made.

As I've stated, the thing that pushed the developers toward the changes were the fact even in game, people would rather get two paladins than get warriors due to how mechanically broken they were. It wasn't just because people didn't like it, there was something inherently wrong with it.

As for the matter of giving the Egi a cosmetic face lift, changes of this sort are not without precedent as I've stated in the past.

For the egi's appearance, it's a matter of opinion and it's entirely subjective . Some people like them (like myself and plenty of others), some people don't and that's fine. Everybody's got different taste after all. Here's the thing though, Square Enix already said they wouldn't change due to various reasons, such as it's against the lore and that it's developer time that's not being used on other more important content.

Square Enix has known since their concept that not everyone would be happy with their design when the Egis were created. You just can't please everyone.

Although it took place before FFXIV: ARR, the size of monsters, as well as the effects of spells and actions were made larger in patches 1.16 and 1.17. Why? Because players were dissatisfied.

That amount of people that were dissatisfied AND affected by these can't even be compared to the tiny minority of people that are dissatisfied by the current Egis.

There's no harm in letting players show their support for changes within reason, so I say go for it.

There's none, they are free to do as they wish. Just as I am to say what a futile endeavor this is.

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And thank you to the trolls who stopped derailing the topic and said their "peace"

"You disagree with me therefore you're a troll!"

[Spellbinder]

That amount of people that were dissatisfied AND affected by these can't even be compared to the tiny minority of people that are dissatisfied by the current Egis.

You have no way of proving people dissatisfied with the Egi are in the minority, just as we have no way of proving the opposite.

I understand you think this is a waste of time, and you're against any changes to the Egi, but are you planning to continue posting in this thread solely for the sake of discouraging those who disagree with your viewpoint?

[Mugiawara]

all i know is, we will all be waiting quite a while for this. as they told us they have no future plans with egi's. i said they should at least
do what aion did and have an eventual growth.
welp...thats already been address and pretty much shut down. its sad. imo, the summoner class is meh to me all around.

the gamplay isnt all that great and the egi's are crap. everything abt the egi is crappy
levi is going to be the shape of the goldfish snacks
shiva a floating icicle with a crown and cape
and ramuh is going to be a clock with a friggin mustache beard thing...
just hope they finally have time to re-do them and change their minds on the original statement.

[Dwill]

You have no way of proving people dissatisfied with the Egi are in the minority, just as we have no way of proving the opposite.

I understand you think this is a waste of time, and you're against any changes to the Egi, but are you planning to continue posting in this thread solely for the sake of discouraging those who disagree with your viewpoint?

A silent majority is just as good as a vocal minority. Unless a majority of people speaks up, one can safely assume that the changes are being asked by the minority.