Why durability loss on return is stupid

[Altano]

If you're doing something you know is dangerous and not necessarily expecting to survive, why equip your good gear?

So you have a better chance of succeeding?

I agree with the overall sentiment that there needs to be some sort of threat for dying. I just preferred the experience points loss. But then, I honestly don't think that it's so "hard-earned" in this game...certainly not comparable to how obnoxious it was in XI pre-ToAU.

[Jynx]

So you have a better chance of succeeding?

I agree with the overall sentiment that there needs to be some sort of threat for dying. I just preferred the experience points loss. But then, I honestly don't think that it's so "hard-earned" in this game...certainly not comparable to how obnoxious it was in XI pre-ToAU.

So you prefer to loose something that (Could have) taken people a good chunk of time to attain, as compaired to something that anyone can get fixed in a rather short period of time?

Different strokes I guess.

[Altano]

So you prefer to loose something that (Could have) taken people a good chunk of time to attain, as compaired to something that anyone can get fixed in a rather short period of time?

Different strokes I guess.

To me it's less hassle. Especially since, for example, dungeon mobs yield SP. I play enough with friends that the experience loss wouldn't matter; it'd come back without trying.

[Preypacer]

To me it's less hassle. Especially since, for example, dungeon mobs yield SP. I play enough with friends that the experience loss wouldn't matter; it'd come back without trying.

I always looked at it from this perspective:

1. I'm leveling up and gaining xp far more than I'm dying and losing it - and in much greater amounts.
2. I typically go a week or longer without dying... Getting back the lost xp for the odd death might take a couple hours tops.
3. If I'm with a group where folks are making careless mistakes and getting us killed, I'm not going to be sticking around with that group beyond one or two deaths.
4. A couple hours, tops, to get back lost xp in a game that I have already spent and/or likely will spend hundreds of hours, over the course of many months overall is a drop in the bucket. It's xp. You get it back.
5. If someone is dying so often that they're spending more time getting back lost xp than they are moving forward, they're doing something very, very wrong.
6. If someone knows they're going to be penalized for failure, and the idea of being penalized is *that* severe to them... then maybe they should re-evaluate the wisdom of undertaking unnecessarily dangerous tasks in the first place. Get help. Level up more and do it when it's safer.

I've seen people give some really exaggerated claims of "losing days of effort". Either those people are leveling *extremely* slowly, even by casual standards, are repeatedly making very dumb mistakes, or they're grossly exaggerating for more impact. Even in Lineage 2's "hey day", when xp loss for dying made XI's look like a slap on the wrist, it never took "days" to get it back.

I personally prefer xp loss over gear damage for one reason... at least with xp loss, getting it back involves actually being out fighting stuff, doing quests, etc. Gear repair potentially means having to stop what I'm doing, go back to town or try to seek out someone to make the repairs for me... I'd much rather be out getting the xp back during that time. That's just me, though.

[lunardemon]

Lets just fight naked

[Hikozaemon]

Lets just fight naked

i tried that but SE wont let me take all my clothes off and not wear a weapon.

[Pyrix]

Durability loss is 100% better than exp/sp loss.

[xhyperx]

It's great to see so many perspectives on the subject. Admittedly, it's not the worst thing in the world...but considering that Leves have been focused on being for solo play more or less, it seems that this durability penalty will be felt most significantly by the lowbie, by new players.

No option in the matter, return when getting attacked by an add, or by doing a leve against a mob family that youre not particularly strong against. The weakened status, and the time limit alone should be penalty enough imho....No one likes to fail leves when you only get 8 per 36 hours. And newbies wont be invited to many parties, and may not have begun crafting skills yet, not to mention by the time they notice their weapon is severely damaged, they cannot change class to do a repair even if they had the skill. Changing class is a penalty during Leve...maybe a repair NPC out at the lowbie Crystals?

There has to be a better happier mid point...between no penalty and penalizing the solo player with durability loss.

[Kafeen]

Er... yeah gonna have to agree with the others here. If you're doing something you know is dangerous and not necessarily expecting to survive, why equip your good gear?

Isn't that the whole point of getting good gear?

You don't need to be pimped out to the max if all you're going to do is kick a few rats.

[miqokini]

Yep, I also prefer the durability loss to exp loss. You definitely have to work much harder to get all that exp back, but not so much for durability.

And I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but yeah, don't wear good stuff on "dangerous adventures". :P