Warrior Skill Speed>Parry

[opengrip]

So was reading earlier that a skill speed build at a breaking point of 441 skill speed would actually allow for way more mitigation due to wrath stacks building faster for inner beast etc. Any thoughts on this? Also what would this build look like in a BIS situation. Easy to accomplish with the novus but the high allagan battleaxe makes it trickier. IMO its not worth trading the weapon and losing the weapon damage. I currently have been building my set without parry anyways for more dps as I do feel the returns arent that great and more dps is always an added bonus in helping meet enrage/pushing phases/killing adds etc So what pieces do i need to make this work? I was thinking the high allagan slaying ring would help. Might have to meld to meet requirements and definitely need the food.

[dspguy]

I could see that. Inner Beast is one of our best abilities. If you could shave enough time (maybe 441 is it?) from your global cooldown, maybe that overcomes whatever you could have recieved from parry.

[opengrip]

Really no one wants to discuss this? lol bump

[Natsu1313]

I will take a shot at it! overall how well do you think putting skill speed on bravura novus would work out? (sorry if it's off topic) Skill speed has been something I have been looking at for a while now on warrior.

[Altonfenri]

Basically, having 441 allows for 9 full attacks in the 20 second period of your 2 best dps buffs. Thus allowing for one more attack just before the cutoff and one more defiance stack respectively. So that is what is to gain at 441 skill speed. Not including the direct effect of faster skill times. With 450+ (I use the bravura and some ss+ slaying accs to keep me at about 9k hp while maximizing dps) your gcd can get to 2.39 secs. So yeah I say i would use skill speed up to 445~ then throw up your other stats behind it. I find that it all adds up to not only a mit buff in the end... but great a dps buff. With ideal conditions you can get anywhere from 140-150 dps even with defiance on. This is assuming you meet the min accuracy caps and at least i100~

[Argyle_Darkheart]

You can achieve 9 hit Berserk with as little as 376 Skill Speed, if you delay your Berserk activation such that the animation ends right as your GCD comes up.

[JonBigwood]

Hi, I wondered why the Bravura Animus has a lot of Skill Speed (28) compared to the Curtana+Shield (8). Aso more Parry (40 versus 32) and no Accuracy (versus 29 the Curtana.)

I suppose the Animus weapons have been thought for a good and balanced performance, so maybe the stats the Animus already have are especially good for each jobs? This since the gear is common for PLD and WAR.

[Kimura410]

Hi, I wondered why the Bravura Animus has a lot of Skill Speed (28) compared to the Curtana+Shield (8). Aso more Parry (40 versus 32) and no Accuracy (versus 29 the Curtana.)

I suppose the Animus weapons have been thought for a good and balanced performance, so maybe the stats the Animus already have are especially good for each jobs? This since the gear is common for PLD and WAR.

yeah, try telling that to your scholar friends who have spell speed on their animus.

[RhazeCain]

more mitigation due to wrath stacks building faster for inner beast etc.

Not going to comment on damage potential. You all can figure that out (and it sounds interesting).

As for the mitigation buff from faster Wrath build:
- Let's assume you get Skill Speed that puts you at 2.39 sec GCD.
- If we assume you use ONLY the abilities required to build Wrath & Inner Beast, then Inner Beast occurs every 8.5 GCDs on average.
- Inner Beast lasts for 6 seconds and reduces damage by 20%.

From this we calculate what % damage reduction from Inner Beast in 2 different paths: (A) 2.5 sec GCD vs. (B) 2.39 sec GCD.
(A) 2.5 sec * 8.5 = 21.25 sec. Inner Beast is active for 6 of that, so 6/21.25= 28% Inner Beast uptime. 20% reduction during that time: 0.28*0.2=5.6% damage reduction by IB.
(B) 2.39 sec * 8.5 = 20.315 sec. Inner Beast is active for 6 of that, so 6/20.315= 29.5% Inner Beast uptime. 20% reduction during that time: 0.29.5*0.2=5.9% damage reduction by IB.

At best, +0.3% damage reduction from Inner Beast with GCD 2.5 to 2.39 secs.

Keep in mind that you are going to spend some time occasionally on skills that don't build Wrath (Tomahawk, etc) and some time dealing with fight mechanics. That amount of time will be same no matter your skill speed, so as a % the increase in IB uptime can only go down -- never up. So the 0.3% will be smaller in reality.

You could think about Skill Speed increasing use of Storm's Path as well. But if you really want to bad enough, you can have 100% uptime on SP even with 0 Skill Speed. So zero benefit from Skill Speed in that situation. And even if you do figure some benefit, the number will be smaller than that from Inner Beast.

So how much Parry would you give up to get this much Skill Speed? And how much mitigation (as a % of total damage) is that Parry worth? It will be a small % I'm sure, but more or less than 0.3%? And if it really is that small of a %, who cares?

[Nabian]

With ideal conditions you can get anywhere from 140-150 dps even with defiance on. This is assuming you meet the min accuracy caps and at least i100~

I agree with what your saying mostly just wanted to point something out.

You said that they could achieve 140-150 with defiance on...that's an extremely low number. They should be doing that any ways even without the "added dps from ss". With defiance on a i100 warrior should be pulling at least 180 dps. Without defiance the number should be much higher.