European servers

[saeedaisspecial]

"I am right and you're wrong" is all you're saying.

Bane/Fester right as the debuff icon is applied and the game may still fail to register it.

Also buy a dictionary and find the definition of instant.

As soon as the icon is visible on the mob, you can Bane/Fester for the effects. Yes, it says instant but you still have to wait for the animation to complete. Like all abilities in game.
Also, go ahead and read the descriptions of abilities such as Bio, and Miasma II. The cast time is stated to be instant, the effects are not (as they are subject to the time it takes for the animation to complete).
Please, go and do a little research before lashing out.

[Shori]

NEED! D:

I would do a server transfer if EU worlds were on EU servers. Its a pain that people with 80ms are telling others with 300+ms that they need to learn to dodge. -.-;
Yeah good for you guys sitting on the server... hows about we hear what EU players have to say.

[Mcshiggs]

Someone said it was my ISP's fault that I had that delay.
What's wrong if it happens to everyone then? I think they should fix stuff like that before giving us new content. I'd rather play a game that isn't broken. And my sister acutally quit the game cause of the 0.5-1 sec delay after every animation.
Is it really supposed to be like that?

It's sort of the same thing when black mages miss firestarter procs, you can actually hit to cast your next spell before your first is completely finished casting, and the spell still has to hit before it will proc, so your next fire spell can be halfway cast before the you get the proc. Not sure if that is how it's meant to be, but it's like that for everyone, so nothing about it makes it unfair.

[Billie21]

Does the ocean part matter?
No, as we've already proven that's not the issue here, there's clearly an issue between specific players connections taking routes that either hit a bad node, or somewhere with heavy congestion or instability causing the jump or delay. If the entirety of EU/AU players were unable to play the game, THEN cause for an EU datacentre would be considered.

Let me first thank you for a thoughtfull, moderate and constructive reply to this topic (even though it's not mine).
I agree with many points you make (notably I hold no illusion about the way features/fix/etc work in a MMORPG, like everything else, it is a business, as you say, and cost and benefits are always balanced and dictate what gets done or not).


I wanted to add something to this specific point you bring (the one I cited):

The ocean indeed doesn't seem to be the issue for everybody as far as latency is concerned (my own ping from France is 45-ish until the last hop in Montreal, and most tracert posted on these forums showed that most spikes occurred in Canada or at least out of Europe).

While this may not be a problem with the general location of the servers (being in Europe or America doesn't seem to change that much), it looks to me like a problem with the specific location of the servers (being deserved by bad 3rd party).

Then again, I have seen the same discrepancy between client info and server decision as in my signature's videos with a ping under 200.
Don't tell me about the cast bar, I know about it, but you can get out before the cast bar ends and still get hit. Even if you didn't, the discrepancy between cast bar and ground markers itself isn't acceptable at all imho.
Oh, and the delay isn't just noticeable for dodging btw. Do people really consider this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3leMnErroL0 and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sND93HHDlQ8 normal?
I, too, find it strange so see such problems when the ping isn't very high, but I have no idea why it is like that.
Nervermind, moving on.


On another note, as many before me pointed out, the game's design itself is very far from optimal for handling lag/latency.
But of course, there's no hope *that* will be fixed, since it would mean a redesign of the game's battles and mechanics. Though one can hope future content will not rely on the same gimmicks. I personally doubt it.

Connexion issues might vary from player to player, independently from SE, SE *is* responsible for the design of their own game.


When people have no trouble playing any other MMO (even some FtP) but struggle with FFXIV, they have a choice between A) searching for an unlikely solution while paying their sub to not-play or B) go play something else that works fine without being a pro tech or having to harrass your ISP, bully indifferent support and struggle to convince people who don't care, phone calls after phone calls. Especially considering it is likely to have no effect in the end.

I understand why they made the game this way, it prevents any kind of hacking, but I feel like the drawbacks outweigh the benefits.

I don't, considering the amount of hacking this game has seen.

[Alukah]

As soon as the icon is visible on the mob, you can Bane/Fester for the effects. Yes, it says instant but you still have to wait for the animation to complete. Like all abilities in game.
Also, go ahead and read the descriptions of abilities such as Bio, and Miasma II. The cast time is stated to be instant, the effects are not (as they are subject to the time it takes for the animation to complete).
Please, go and do a little research before lashing out.

"and the game may still fail to register it." Reading 101, you failed it.

My last reply to you, you're free to believe whatever you want to believe.

Have a nice day.

[Mcshiggs]

[/B] go play something else that works fine without being a pro tech or having to harrass your ISP, bully indifferent support and struggle to convince people who don't care, phone calls after phone calls.

It makes no sense that you would come to the forums to complain but won't contact your ISP. SE never said they would put servers in Europe, but you expect them too, but you won't call your ISP and complain when they aren't providing the service you are paying for. It seems to me you have this bass ackwards, you expect one company to change because they provide you with the service you agree upon every time you pay, but you don't hold your ISP to giving you the reliable service you pay for. Do you call your cell phone provider to complain when your electricity goes out?

[Billie21]

It makes no sense that you would come to the forums to complain but won't contact your ISP. SE never said they would put servers in Europe, but you expect them too, but you won't call your ISP and complain when they aren't providing the service you are paying for. It seems to me you have this bass ackwards, you expect one company to change because they provide you with the service you agree upon every time you pay, but you don't hold your ISP to giving you the reliable service you pay for. Do you call your cell phone provider to complain when your electricity goes out?

I don't understand, did I say anything about myself in this quote?
I said when a player is confronted to this situation, these are the choices they have. Did I mention anything about complaining on the forums?

btw I was citing the example where (as many have said was their case) people don't have any trouble outside of FFXIV. Of course when their ISP doesn't provide the service expected, they go complain to it. However, when FFXIV is the only thing giving them trouble, it may seem less trouble to just give up on it, regardless of the causes.

As you said, your phone doesn't work, but you still have electricity running, you don't complain to your electricity company.
When your game doesn't work, but your Internet and other games do, you don't complain to your ISP, you complain to the game support. This is the logical conclusion anyone with no specific IT/network knowledge will reach.

[Phe]

Any update on this?

[StrejdaTom]

I live in the middle Europe and have 110 ms, so no problems at all for me (I am not using battleping or anything else), but I believe it would be fair to add European servers. It wont change my gameplay much but it would definitely help some people.

I think that in some interview Yoshida said they tried playing the game outside of USA and that they know there is a problem with latency and that they would like to fix it... some news on this would be appreciated.

[NeuroJames]

I live in middle europe as well and i have to say, as a healer, this game is unplayable. The delay in dungeons for example is unbearable, you can't trust the circles on the ground since you can run out just fine but will still get hit even though you were outside for more than 1 or 2 seconds. The same goes for casting. I have hoorendous delay on casting, even cancelling by moving takes the game almost 2 seconds to register. Pre-emtive casting does not work, since you are always behind for at least 2 seconds. I'm really tired of this bullshit, the reason i quit the game 1 year ago was because of this stupid delay since the european players don't have a dedicated data center or servers located in the EU.

I would really like an answer from Square Enix: Are there any plans of opening up ACTUAL EUROPEAN SERVERS LOCATED IN EUROPE or do you continue to roll with your NA/EU bullshit data center in canada that causes the horrible delay for every european player ?