macros: bad for DPS?

[saeedaisspecial]

Why is it grasping at straws to say one class has lower survivability than another? One punishes you harder for smaller mistakes, one does not. This goes back to you all being way too general, and not listening to the people that have come here to express a point.

Particularly when the ideal you hold them to and judge them against is not as common as you claim.

You're generalising too. You basically said "Well DRG has to move for positionals so they're more at risk! MNK doesn't!" When actually, a MNK does have to move for positionals, maybe not to get their combo, but they sure as hell do if they want to maximise DPS, which is what this discussion was all about in the first place. You're picking and choosing your arguments to tailor your needs. You're proving it all the time with how you quote specific parts of my post to attack, whilst ignoring the rest, which you've been doing for pages.

This entire thread was about whether or not macros affected DPS, and the answer was a resounding yes. I'm still here, trying to explain that reasoning, with a lot of reasons. I'm not "not listening to the people that come here to express a point" at all.

he can't do that if he's dead while fumbling with the 20+ keys he needs.

lol.
Exaggerations like that sure make your point valid.

[Amberyl]

You basically said "Well DRG has to move for positionals so they're more at risk! MNK doesn't!"

I pointed out that the Dragoon has to move, where a Monk gets to choose to move. I also pointed out that the Dragoon has to take greater risks for the smaller gains, due to their lower survivability. Stop skimming. I know you don't like me having a point, but I do. You're being too general, too dismissive, and too harsh.

Those seconds add up yo, macro'ing your basic rotation is a massive loss. In a prolonged fight i'm pretty sure he'd do more DPS with the second option.

Firstly, if he's hardware automating, there is no time loss, as there is no rounding.

Secondly, no, you're wrong. The Dragoon's damage comes from it's buff/per mob debuff combination. Almost all of the attacks scale with position by a considerable degree. Try solo'ing a mob on a Dragoon that does not pause when you stun it, and you'll see how little damage a Dragoon can muster without it's damage modifiers.

You might as well bring another Paladin.

Do not use Blood for Blood as an example for DRG while neglecting MNK, because they both have access to it.

And Monk mdef is how much higher than the Dragoon's?

[Hali]

I pointed out that the Dragoon has to move, where a Monk gets to choose to move. I also pointed out that the Dragoon has to take greater risks for the smaller gains, due to their lower survivability. Stop skimming. I know you don't like me having a point, but I do. You're being too general, too dismissive, and too harsh.

DRG has as much risk as every single other DPS, if not less so because they can avoid mechanics whilst moving to hit a positional. Stop being bad.

[saeedaisspecial]

I pointed out that the Dragoon has to move, where a Monk gets to choose to move. I also pointed out that the Dragoon has to take greater risks for the smaller gains, due to their lower survivability. Stop skimming. I know you don't like me having a point, but I do. You're being too general, too dismissive, and too harsh.

No.
There is no "choosing" when it comes to optimising your DPS. Both jobs need to. Which is what this is all about.
There is no greater risks for smaller gains, because if anything, a MNK moving is a greater risk for a smaller gain. Just look at what both jobs gain/risk.
A MNK moves to gain their positonal advantage. What do they gain by moving and obtaining this positional? They gain a slight potency increase in their damage. What do they lose if they don't obtain positional? They only lose minor potency.
A DRG moves to gain their positonal advantage. What do they gain by moving and obtaining this positional? They the ability to continue their combo and/or the benefits on Heavy Thrust. What do they lose if they don't obtain positional? They cannot combo (and their postional is their best combo) and/or 15% damage.

DRG gains more (not less as you stated) by moving into a positional, you entire argument is backwards. As for the risks, they are equal, because at end game anything deadly to one is deadly to another, most attacks will one shot any unbuffed DPS. Do not use Blood for Blood as an example for DRG while neglecting MNK, because they both have access to it.

I see you hit your post limit, so once again good job on picking out a tiny portion of my post you can reply to, while ignoring the rest.

At this point, I'm honestly done. It's blatant that you have no idea what you're talking about, and you've gone so far off topic that you're the one not answering the original threads question anymore. I really don't know what you hoped to gain by steering the argument this way, but here we are.

[Grembo]

Firstly, if he's hardware automating, there is no time loss, as there is no rounding.

Secondly, no, you're wrong. The Dragoon's damage comes from it's buff/per mob debuff combination. Almost all of the attacks scale with position by a considerable degree. Try solo'ing a mob on a Dragoon that does not pause when you stun it, and you'll see how little damage a Dragoon can muster without it's damage modifiers.

You might as well bring another Paladin.

Any kind of automation will severely impact your DPS. The problems Danorille pointed out will still persist even if your macro's fire off the GCD in time.

...and if your bad enough to choose to do that when it's already been established how much of a DPS loss it can be then you can certainly choose to ignore your positional requirements too.

Almost all of the attacks scale with position by a considerable degree

Just like MNK right?

And Monk mdef is how much higher than the Dragoon's?

Yeah, the ninth time you've mentioned this now and it still has no relevance anywhere in this discussion.

Are you trying to tell us you need higher mdef because you can't move and press keys at the same time? :/