macros: bad for DPS?

[Mcshiggs]

Need?

You can choose to not move at all with both MNK and DRG, sure your rotation will be sub optimal but if your the kind of guy that has to macro his basic rotation because moving at the same time is too complex then the loss in dps is hardly gonna bother you, aye.

What he is saying is that a monks combos will still advance if they are out of position, a dragoon's combos won't advance if they are out of position.

[Amberyl]

What he is saying is that a monks combos will still advance if they are out of position, a dragoon's combos won't advance if they are out of position.

This.

But also, Monks can take greater risks to reach position, with a lower damage penalty to get there. If Blood for Blood is up on a Dragoon, many bosses will one shot you if your healers aren't on the ball. Which is both unfair to the healer, and a drain on the group. A Dragoon is worth little more than 10% to the Bard if he can't keep his rotation up, and he can't do that if he's dead while fumbling with the 20+ keys he needs.

[Odett]

snip

MNK combos can advance without position, but the difference between a MNK who moves and one who does not is very big. As a MNK, to achieve best dps, you NEED to move. Tell me one non-enrage move that is not directed at tanks and that is not a Cleave that will one shot you with BfB active. Even if you BfB before titan stomps or any other forced damage mechanic, you have skills like Bloodbath and Second Wind that you can weave in, which won't hurt your DPS, to sustain yourself. The tank is not the only person in a group who has to mitigate damage. Not paying attention to a monster's hit box is no one's problem but your own. You also don't need 20+ keys, and it only serves to reduce the validity of your argument.

[Grembo]

What he is saying is that a monks combos will still advance if they are out of position, a dragoon's combos won't advance if they are out of position.

Yeah, that much I know. What i'm saying is that he doesn't 'need' to advance his combo at all if he so chooses.

Not like I can be bothered to do the maths but say this uber macro DRG guy parsed using these two options.

1. Used his Uber macro's for his basic rotation giving him room to keep up with the positional requirements but losing 0.5 - 0.7s per GCD.

2. Totally ignored positional requirements but inputting his full rotation manually.

Those seconds add up yo, macro'ing your basic rotation is a massive loss. In a prolonged fight i'm pretty sure he'd do more DPS with the second option.