macros: bad for DPS?

[Amberyl]

Macros don't work in decimal seconds. Only whole seconds.

Which is pretty ridiculous, given the number of players who hardware macro and do so accurate to two decimal places. The macro system should be changed back to how it was pre-launch. If someone can do it on their £200 keyboard with no penalty, the same facilities should be open to all players. Particularly now PvP is gaining a footing in the game.

That being said, the myth that macro'ing destroys your DPS makes me chuckle. When my PC was being shipped to Hong Kong while I emigrated, I spent three months stuck on a PS3 controller, and given my main is a Dragoon, had little choice but to macro. Often, I am the only Dragoon alive throughout the entire fight, almost certainly because the others are too busy looking at their toolbars and worrying about which button to press next.

Dead DPS don't DPS. Particularly prudent when you're stuck with 300 mdef in a game of spell-spewing bosses.

[saeedaisspecial]

That being said, the myth that macro'ing destroys your DPS makes me chuckle. When my PC was being shipped to Hong Kong while I emigrated, I spent three months stuck on a PS3 controller, and given my main is a Dragoon, had little choice but to macro. Often, I am the only Dragoon alive throughout the entire fight, almost certainly because the others are too busy looking at their toolbars and worrying about which button to press next.

Dead DPS don't DPS. Particularly prudent when you're stuck with 300 mdef in a game of spell-spewing bosses.

"Bad players die therefore I'm right because I'm playing bad too."
Macros ruin your DPS, it's a fact. Saying "Well they help me not die!" is silly, because you're pretty much admitting your inability to play properly.

Also the fact that you think playing on a controller means macros are necessary is just wrong.

[Amberyl]

Macros ruin your DPS, it's a fact. Saying "Well they help me not die!" is silly, because you're pretty much admitting your inability to play properly.

Tell that to the guys playing perfect DPS rotations on a Razer keyboard/mouse in Coil, and topping the parser list.

[Atreides]

Tell that to the guys playing perfect DPS rotations on a Razer keyboard/mouse in Coil, and topping the parser list.

They use different kind of macros which do trigger the skill queue.
You can set your keyboard and mouse macros to trigger buttons which is just like you press them manually so the skills get queued.
We're talking about ingame macros here and they do reduce your DPS because your skills don't get queued, it's a proven fact.
Thats why I think it's silly that this game doesn't queue macro'd skills because people will always find a way to do so if they want to min-max and will resort to third party tools.

[Amberyl]

Thats why I think it's silly that this game doesn't queue macro'd skills because people will always find a way to do so if they want to min-max and will resort to third party tools.

Exactly. And the evangelists here preaching against the use of macros are missing this entirely. I think they'd be surprised just how many of the people that they consider capable players are using hardware macros to allow them to concentrate on dodging damage markers. No one wants to admit that's why they bought their branded mouse or keyboard in this game, however, due to the stigma the rounding change has brought to macro use since it came in.

Regardless, it happens, and the players using them top the parsers regularly.

[TheMax1087]

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Theres quite alot wrong in this post, The idea that you have to macro on a dragoon because you are using a controller is just completely untrue. They have only have 22 skills(27 with cross class) and you can have 36 skills active without changing hotbars using l2+r2 and r2+l2 using a controller. The idea that the main reason people die is looking at toolbars is just silly, as thats a problem only someone completely new to hotbar based games would have. The main thing you seem to have missed though, shown by your dead dps dont dps remark, is this topic is about maximized dps, which assumes the person doing the dps isnt dead in the first place.

[Amberyl]

The main thing you seem to have missed though, shown by your dead dps dont dps remark, is this topic is about maximized dps, which assumes the person doing the dps isnt dead in the first place.

Word play and semantics. If the ideal were so achievable, then companies like Razer wouldn't have a market for their £200 MMO-geared keyboards.

[saeedaisspecial]

Word play and semantics. If the ideal were so achievable, then companies like Razer wouldn't have a market for their £200 MMO-geared keyboards.

The fact you're focusing on the minority when the majorty min/max their DPS without using macros and/or third party tools is funny.
You're always harping on about how people use hardware macros so they can focus on dodging, when the real fact is, a huge majority of players don't do this and don't need to. It just sounds as if you're accusing everyone who can do what you can't of cheating.

[Amberyl]

You're always harping on about how people use hardware macros so they can focus on dodging, when the real fact is, a huge majority of players don't do this and don't need to.

I wasn't aware you knew me to make that distinction. It is a valid point here, however, and one you're over looking, which is why I raised it. No, not every player out there does this, or has a product capable of doing it. But many have, and many do. Either with simple short burst macros triggered on mouse buttons, or more complex, layered macros, on expensive keyboards. They're regularly discussed on vent/ts, as is how easily Square's intentional crippling of the macro system in this game is bypassed.

Don't hate on the messenger. Chasing the ideal is all about min/maxing, and this is a popular way of achieving that.

It seems ridiculous that the legitimate player is penalized for macro'ing within the client, when products like this are readily accessible.

[saeedaisspecial]

Don't hate on the messenger. Chasing the ideal is all about min/maxing, and this is a popular way of achieving that.

It seems ridiculous that the legitimate player is penalized for macro'ing within the client, when products like this are readily accessible.

Except that macroing, even with tools is inherently a bad thing. There are times like already brought up in the thread where you may not want to perform your full macro.
You might be pulled away from the mob to dodge an AoE, your macro keeps running and when you get back it does the third action on the list instead of the second, where you were when you ran off, breaking your combo. There could be points (and there are in certain fights) where you need to hold DPS, and you can't stop because welp, you're using a macro. In Turn 6 Bouquet starts casting? Macro running? You're dead. In Turn 7 you might have to turn for voices, your macro keeps running? GJ. You've just wiped the raid.
They are bad, not just because of the delays with in game macros, but all types are bad. You should never rely on them.

No top tier player will min/max using any sort of macros.