macros: bad for DPS?

[Atreides]

Tell that to the guys playing perfect DPS rotations on a Razer keyboard/mouse in Coil, and topping the parser list.

They use different kind of macros which do trigger the skill queue.
You can set your keyboard and mouse macros to trigger buttons which is just like you press them manually so the skills get queued.
We're talking about ingame macros here and they do reduce your DPS because your skills don't get queued, it's a proven fact.
Thats why I think it's silly that this game doesn't queue macro'd skills because people will always find a way to do so if they want to min-max and will resort to third party tools.

[TheMax1087]

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Theres quite alot wrong in this post, The idea that you have to macro on a dragoon because you are using a controller is just completely untrue. They have only have 22 skills(27 with cross class) and you can have 36 skills active without changing hotbars using l2+r2 and r2+l2 using a controller. The idea that the main reason people die is looking at toolbars is just silly, as thats a problem only someone completely new to hotbar based games would have. The main thing you seem to have missed though, shown by your dead dps dont dps remark, is this topic is about maximized dps, which assumes the person doing the dps isnt dead in the first place.

[Amberyl]

The main thing you seem to have missed though, shown by your dead dps dont dps remark, is this topic is about maximized dps, which assumes the person doing the dps isnt dead in the first place.

Word play and semantics. If the ideal were so achievable, then companies like Razer wouldn't have a market for their £200 MMO-geared keyboards.

[saeedaisspecial]

Word play and semantics. If the ideal were so achievable, then companies like Razer wouldn't have a market for their £200 MMO-geared keyboards.

The fact you're focusing on the minority when the majorty min/max their DPS without using macros and/or third party tools is funny.
You're always harping on about how people use hardware macros so they can focus on dodging, when the real fact is, a huge majority of players don't do this and don't need to. It just sounds as if you're accusing everyone who can do what you can't of cheating.

[TheMax1087]

Word play and semantics. If the ideal were so achievable, then companies like Razer wouldn't have a market for their £200 MMO-geared keyboards.

Incase you couldnt tell by the content of my post, i play with a controller(even though i play on pc), so razer having a £200 MMO-geared keyboard has no bearing on me at all.

As for no top-tier players using then? That's outright ignorance, I'm afraid. You're kidding yourself, sorry.

Saeed specifically said "No top tier player will min/max using any sort of macros.", min/maxing being the whole point of the macro vs no macro debate. I know you are trolling in this topic, but the very first post has a vid of someone doing the same rotation side by side losing dps by using macros.

[Rhas]

Macros don't work in decimal seconds. Only whole seconds. Any /wait used in a macro is automatically rounded up to a whole second, so a /wait 2.5 would become a /wait 3 to the game. Meaning you're losing up to 0.5-0.7 seconds every GCD, the higher your skill/spell speed, the more DPS you're potentially losing.

Umm... yes they do. you can test it yourself using /emotes. There is a difference in how much of the emote play between between 2 and 2.2 and 2.5.

Unless they changed it very recently. I used decimal points in creating my own dances before they added the new ones in (ie harvestdance, etc) and after they added them in I even fine tuned a few of them with decimal points so that they meshed together with the animations I wanted to do.

Never used them in combat since its always been better (for me) to do everything manually. (dps-wise)

edit:
Just tried doing my old macros again and they no longer seem to mesh properly like they used to so maybe they did change it at some point.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

Macros are absolutely terrible for dps if you are macroing your rotation. You are losing a ton of time in between each attack and it only adds up more the longer the fight. Like someone said, macros only do whole seconds and not 0.5 etc.

[Illrayth]

Macros are absolutely terrible for dps if you are macroing your rotation. You are losing a ton of time in between each attack and it only adds up more the longer the fight. Like someone said, macros only do whole seconds and not 0.5 etc.

Macros are great for DPS. However you need to know when to use them.
Every class i have has a full rotation of their main abilities. However, the only time these are used, is when there are movement-intensive mechanics where more attention has to be payed to staying alive than pressing your hotbar keys. Being able to just stay within hit range of your target but pay full attention to movement and the surrounding area is a big bonus. Cant DPS if you're dead. So that slower rotation is a good payoff for staying alive.
If you can stand still, or have a relaxed fight, having all your abilities on the bar and using in optimal rotation with that .5 less between everything is awesome.

[saeedaisspecial]

Macros are great for DPS. However you need to know when to use them.
Every class i have has a full rotation of their main abilities. However, the only time these are used, is when there are movement-intensive mechanics where more attention has to be payed to staying alive than pressing your hotbar keys. Being able to just stay within hit range of your target but pay full attention to movement and the surrounding area is a big bonus. Cant DPS if you're dead. So that slower rotation is a good payoff for staying alive.
If you can stand still, or have a relaxed fight, having all your abilities on the bar and using in optimal rotation with that .5 less between everything is awesome.

I can't believe people that think this exist. I want to cry.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

Macros are great for DPS. However you need to know when to use them.
Every class i have has a full rotation of their main abilities. However, the only time these are used, is when there are movement-intensive mechanics where more attention has to be payed to staying alive than pressing your hotbar keys. /snip.

That's the true test of skill for dps. Good dps can keep their numbers up while still avoiding everything without ever considering macros for rotation. Especially melee. Not saying there isn't a place at all for macros just not with /wait in between attacks. For example i play with a controller and try to minimize what's on my hotbars so i have power surge and jump macrod together with power surge on a separate hotbar so i can see its cooldown. With no wait if i push it it will do power surge then again for jump. I know if power surge is on CD then it will just jump. Stuff like that is fine.