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  1. #41
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    Mardel's Avatar
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    Eru Meru
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    Gilgamesh
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    Pugilist Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi View Post
    And a DRG comes in to be the voice of reason, thank you ^_^
    Tech I main drg until recently I didn't tank 6/7 I was drg 6-9 and outside coil I'm usually on drg. But still I cannot out damage my monk playing perfectly in T8 he can curb stomp my dps lol. Not that I care that much since I (like many others will be on ninja anyways.) DRG has its pluses but trying to sell it as "it boosts brd's damage thus it makes up for it" is wrong. As I pointed out earlier, utilizing a second monk provides a better damage out put. You need to run 3 piercing damage classes to make disembowel shine.
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  2. #42
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    Hyrist's Avatar
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    Lin Celistine
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    Goblin
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mardel View Post
    Tech I main drg until recently I didn't tank 6/7 I was drg 6-9 and outside coil I'm usually on drg. But still I cannot out damage my monk playing perfectly in T8 he can curb stomp my dps lol. Not that I care that much since I (like many others will be on ninja anyways.) DRG has its pluses but trying to sell it as "it boosts brd's damage thus it makes up for it" is wrong. As I pointed out earlier, utilizing a second monk provides a better damage out put. You need to run 3 piercing damage classes to make disembowel shine.
    Speculative note... I wonder if Ninja will be piercing based DPS...
    Even with the superior DPS, if that becomes the case, Monk is still going to have a hard time fighting that level of party synergy.
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  3. #43
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    Xanthe Dreadcasque
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    Gilgamesh
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrist View Post
    Speculative note... I wonder if Ninja will be piercing based DPS...
    Even with the superior DPS, if that becomes the case, Monk is still going to have a hard time fighting that level of party synergy.
    Well we know Ninja is one class that we're going to get. I assume they will be a slashing myself (though they could have Piercing attacks as well!). I'm thinking... that possibly this gun class that we are supposed to get (albeit a unconventional or "gun class we wouldn't expect") might be doing blunt type damage with bullets (akin to many Pen and Paper RPGs) which would give another class synergy with the Monks Dragon Kick.

    We'll just have to wait and see!
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  4. #44
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    Hyrist's Avatar
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    Lin Celistine
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    Goblin
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Pylfer View Post
    Well we know Ninja is one class that we're going to get. I assume they will be a slashing myself (though they could have Piercing attacks as well!). I'm thinking... that possibly this gun class that we are supposed to get (albeit a unconventional or "gun class we wouldn't expect") might be doing blunt type damage with bullets (akin to many Pen and Paper RPGs) which would give another class synergy with the Monks Dragon Kick.

    We'll just have to wait and see!
    Right, the overall point I was trying to make with the speculation is this:

    The power an effectiveness of classes waxes and wanes over the course of MMOs. This is par for the course and rarely cause for alarm. The developers have access to far more information than the average player and will make adjustments both on feedback and hard data they have collected. There's no need for extreme hyperbole that seems to be the frequent language within official boards these days, particularly MMO boards.

    There is also the habits of players to consider. The top endgame players will often be so flexible in their job makeup that shifting classes to accommodate the current Meta will not affect player attendance. The Mainstream players will often play with statics which will play with a players favorite class even if it is not the most effective. So the real complaint argument here comes form those who are on the casual, parroting off of complaints between those at the top, and those in the mainstream who seem not to want to admit to being hardcore or mainstream, when in truth, in neither of these conditions does the performance difference matter or is actually achieved. The game makes clear DPS checks that each damage class class, regardless of comparative performance, can meet within the expected margin of error for the run, which varies from fight to fight.

    It is up to each individual group how restrictive their performance policies and advancement ambitions are, and it is not the fault of the developers when players start splitting percentage points in an effort to make up for performance issues elsewhere, or in a vain desire to be the absolute best.

    Having been on all spectrum of playstyles, I've settled into Mainstream due to the reduced stress involved while still satisfying my drive to improve. Those who are frustrated at performance differences, may wish to make a playstyle choice: Are you going to be concerned about best performance and play a wide variety of classes? Or are you going to be concerned with play preferences and worry less about comparative performance?

    No matter how perceive the class balance becomes, that choice will always be one a player group has to make, no exceptions. There's no point in blaming a developer for this reality of gaming - there's little they can do about it.

    My advice, just enjoy the ride.
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  5. #45
    Player Skyl1n3's Avatar
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    Sky Lionheart
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    Lancer Lv 51
    Quote Originally Posted by Pylfer View Post
    Armor really has nothing to do with anything. Last I checked they added a vanity system
    Exactly, just pointing out the stupid statement from the MNK.
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  6. #46
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    16bitBounty's Avatar
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    Alyssin Kiger
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    I was cracking a joke. I'm fully aware of the vanity system. So many butt hurt lancer babies.
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  7. #47
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    ShinkuTachi's Avatar
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    Pyro Frost
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    Ultros
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Skyl1n3 View Post
    Exactly, just pointing out the stupid statement from the MNK.
    Quote Originally Posted by 16bitBounty View Post
    I was cracking a joke. I'm fully aware of the vanity system. So many butt hurt lancer babies.
    Lets please not let this get out of hand.
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  8. #48
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    GurrenLagann's Avatar
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    Lion Doge
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    Moogle
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by 16bitBounty View Post
    I was cracking a joke. I'm fully aware of the vanity system. So many butt hurt lancer babies.
    To be honest, I didn't get the joke at all; so I just ignored it. Was thinking to myself what armour looked like Power Ranger and gave up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    Not a day goes by without a lolDRG jumping to his death. lol
    This pun..
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  9. #49
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Faerie
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Muzetta View Post

    As for why people would want Monk over DRG, jumps are a possibility.
    Not a day goes by without a lolDRG jumping to his death. lol
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    Player Skyl1n3's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16bitBounty View Post
    So many butt hurt lancer babies.
    Oh look, another snide remark.

    Grow. Up.
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