Gap between MNK and DRG dps widening

[PArcher]

I out dmg mnks usually by 20 dps or so for second coil fights.

Unless you're way overgeared...you're playing with some really, really bad MNK.

Same gear and skill, MNK do about 8-10% more DPS than a DRG (and no, BRD DPS from Dis doesn't make up for it. Its basic math). Fight mechanics can change that, but on a striking dummy (or T8) that is definitely true.

[Billzey]

I think it's all about job utility. Sure, a Monk may out-DPS a Dragoon...but a Dragoon provides a buff to other piercing DPS classes. Sure, a bard doesn't provide as much DPS as a Black Mage, but they have the tools that allow for Black Mages and Summoners to output more DPS, as well as regenerate MP for the casters.

So essentially, what one job loses out for solo-play (DPS), they gain in team-play (team roles). That's just my opinion.

lol what? I will uninstall this game the moment a BLM outdamages me (BRD) on raid content. I've never been outdamaged by any job other than MNK, and BLM is very far behind. The buff should close the gap some, but there is a reason they are getting buffed...

[Pylfer]

No sir I am serious. Monks have been overpowered for so long now you and many other Monks have developed a sense of entitlement towards being overpowered. Rolling them back would far from cripple them.

1.0 = Monks were the least used and least powerful class in the game.
2.0 = Monks were second to LNC/DRG in terms of DPS and below SMNs and at times BRD/BLM.
2.1 = Monks got minor buffs to scaling that boosted their DPS to allow them to A) match others and B) in most cases (when played properly) out DPS them

Removing those buffs would basically just move them back down the list.

What I'm reading here is that because MNKs do a little more DPS than you, you are butt hurt and if DRG can't be best then it's time to make grandiose statements about nerfing the butts off of other classes.

You know SMNs in T6, T7, T8, and T9 because of DoTs and Garuda also put out DPS that's just as high as the MNK.

[Exstal]

Rolling them back would far from cripple them.

You probably don't understand the gravity of this statement for you to be making this.

[16bitBounty]

Well, if I had to wear ugly power ranger armor I'd want to out dps everyone else too. Being a dragoon is punishment enough.

[Skyl1n3]

Well, if I had to wear ugly power ranger armor I'd want to out dps everyone else too. Being a dragoon is punishment enough.

Rather than some tatty rags?

[Pylfer]

Well, if I had to wear ugly power ranger armor I'd want to out dps everyone else too. Being a dragoon is punishment enough.

Rather than some tatty rags?

Armor really has nothing to do with anything. Last I checked they added a vanity system

[Hyrist]

Sounds like overreaction to me.

Honestly, this type of situation, where Monks are completely outshining DRGs, only happens in specific situations at the absolute peak of play from all involved. And in the end, it does, in fact, ignore all the utility Dragoon itself brings to the table (stun, on-demand slow, Party-Wide Piercing bonus, superior mobility.) This is on top of having what is effectively a more stable damage in circumstances where the monk cannot maintain stacks.

So, given all these, I am ok that the top .1% of Monks consistently out perform DRG. Personally I am more concerned with my own personal performance than some game restrictions. Most can't even hit that cap. If I can dole out enough damage to pass the DPS checks required of me for my runs, then that's what matters. If the disparity really does become glaring, it will be put in check.

In the meanwhile, lets not cry wolf quite yet.

[ShinkuTachi]

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And a DRG comes in to be the voice of reason, thank you ^_^

[Pylfer]

Sounds like overreaction to me.

Honestly, this type of situation, where Monks are completely outshining DRGs, only happens in specific situations at the absolute peak of play from all involved. And in the end, it does, in fact, ignore all the utility Dragoon itself brings to the table (stun, on-demand slow, Party-Wide Piercing bonus, superior mobility.) This is on top of having what is effectively a more stable damage in circumstances where the monk cannot maintain stacks.


So, given all these, I am ok that the top .1% of Monks consistently out perform DRG. Personally I am more concerned with my own personal performance than some game restrictions. Most can't even hit that cap. If I can dole out enough damage to pass the DPS checks required of me for my runs, then that's what matters. If the disparity really does become glaring, it will be put in check.

In the meanwhile, lets not cry wolf quite yet.

Right? Everyone should just be more internally oriented about this stuff... Like "Can I get geared and perform my rotation well enough to hit an average of 400+ DPS?" If yes than be proud that you can do that. DRG's in gear can totally hit 450 DPS if not higher if they do their rotation properly and focus on their performance. Does it matter if a Monk, DOING THAT EXACT SAME THING (focusing solely on their own skill and DPS output) can do a few more points of DPS over time?

It just seems like people are arguing that because LNC/DRG isn't better than MNK that something has gone horribly horribly wrong.

Look at WoW. That game goes through so many patches, and each patch usually has one DPS, Tank, and Healer class moving into the "Top Tier". Who's to say that 3.0 won't have DRGs doing 700 DPS while MNK sits at a lowly and terribly frowned upon 680 DPS.