Gap between MNK and DRG dps widening

[Donjo]

I'm pretty sure that Monks are balanced with the expectation that they'll lose their stacks here and there in fights. Thus, in fights like T8 where it's nearly impossible to lose them, Monks are the top DPS period.

Monks constantly complain about being "forced" to lose their stacks on many fights, but that's probably completely intended when one considers how few long "target dummy" fights there really are among the bosses.

[LordMaitreya]

People need to stop with the disembowel buffs bards bs. Monks are so easy to play and do far more single target damage than not only Dragoons but every other class in the game. Monks need to have every buff they received in 2.1 rolled back immediately.

[Mardel]

I think it's all about job utility. Sure, a Monk may out-DPS a Dragoon...but a Dragoon provides a buff to other piercing DPS classes. Sure, a bard doesn't provide as much DPS as a Black Mage, but they have the tools that allow for Black Mages and Summoners to output more DPS, as well as regenerate MP for the casters.

So essentially, what one job loses out for solo-play (DPS), they gain in team-play (team roles). That's just my opinion.

Well, a monk does increase another monk's damage by around 3-5% because only one will have to dragon kick and the other one will boot shine. I play DRG and WAR in coil 2 we run: pld, sch, whm, smn, smn, mnk, brd, drg (i war t6/7). I dabble in monk during off times and pre-coil 2 I did extensive testing on dummies.

My test was me + brd vs mnk + brd. It turned out the damage was nearly the same, the mnk + brd could edge out the drg + brd sometimes.

Now, if you take a comp with a mnk/brd/drg and replace the drg... giving you mnk/mnk/brd , the damage will be superior because now one of the monks will be doing 3-5% more damage because of bootshine over dragon kick. Only if you heavily stack piercing jobs does the benefit of disembowel come into play. So if you have drg/brd/brd or drg/drg/brd do you obtain a stronger comp, and sadly it may not even that much better. Part of the problem is that dragoon is FORCED to always apply disembowel. There isn't a stronger/better alternative while monk has the choice of applying dragon kick and can avoid it if it's already up.

With ninja potentially slashing on the horizon there maybe less meaning to drgs if the damage difference keeps widening. It maybe the new blm of dps when the time comes.

[Sygmaelle]

A Mnk at i107+ is able to deal pass 500dps, while Drg only able to push to 420+ max.

Don't you think this is too unfair to the DRG job?

Im sittin at 450 on a dummy without party buff or food by beein 106 on my drag ?

Keep in mind that monks are just the kings single target and thats how you deal with the issue. That and when you have to burst down things really super super fast, good luck with your monk. Sure he ll be able to deal a bit of help on that department but its nowhere near what smns / drg / bard can do

[shanvhere]

Who cares about DRG, y'all don't even have a dragon *SHAZAAM MONK PUNCH!"

[16bitBounty]

I play MNK because MNK is fun. If they were the worst DPS in the game I'd still play a MNK. Dragoons are boring.

[Pylfer]

DRGs have around a 35-40 combo that they need to follow for maximum and most efficient DPS. Monks have around a 16 combo that they need to follow in order to pump out max DPS.

DRGs have the better spike damage (Blood for Blood, innately high Crit, and Internal Release followed by above mentioned 40ish button combo) that can come in handy during short fights (or things like T6 or other constant "damage the boss only" phases.

Monks on the other hand have greater sustained damage. Meaning that we can hit for the same numbers more consistently and for a longer period of time. With Blood for Blood, Internal Release, and Fists of Fire up Monks can generally hit a string of crits for around 700-1100 damage a piece (with ilvl 100+ using Glanz/Animus/High Allagan)

[Pylfer]

People need to stop with the disembowel buffs bards bs. Monks are so easy to play and do far more single target damage than not only Dragoons but every other class in the game. Monks need to have every buff they received in 2.1 rolled back immediately.

Pretty sure you're a troll, but... I'll respond anyways.

Rolling back those buffs would cripple the class and make Monks immediately go to bottom of the DPS list.

Seriously.

Think about what you say before you say them.

[LordMaitreya]

Pretty sure you're a troll, but... I'll respond anyways.

Rolling back those buffs would cripple the class and make Monks immediately go to bottom of the DPS list.

Seriously.

Think about what you say before you say them.

No sir I am serious. Monks have been overpowered for so long now you and many other Monks have developed a sense of entitlement towards being overpowered. Rolling them back would far from cripple them.

[Ruri]

I guess people are aware how much dps a MNK is capable to dish out at iLvl 110 vs a DRG with the same iLvl.

The difference is insane.

Why all the love to MNK and not DRG?

I out dmg mnks usually by 20 dps or so for second coil fights.