What's stopping us from queueing without a job?

[whoopeeragon]

Classes just feel like the same thing as jobs, but crappier. A useless copy that's not even as interesting. 'Why drive an old car when you can have a shiny new one?' is kinda what it feels like to me.

Your previous statement kind of alludes to the reasoning behind classes. Yes, classes are an old car, but they can be upgraded into different paths. Think of classes as an Eevee. Depending on your choice, your Eevee evolves into the (now) countless types. The freedom of the Armoury system (and thus, classes) doesn't extend towards the Job System. Nor should there be a reason for it to.

[Viridiana]

The other catch is that myth armor, relic and zodiac wepaons are locked to jobs, not classes. So unless you're sporting a full set of weathered gear, your stats are going to suffer in addition to the lack of a soul crystal.

Actually, all the 110 gear (minus Novus) is able to be equipped by a class.

[Exstal]

THM in my turn 4 was kind of funny

[Alukah]

Well for starters it's still misuse. I'll say it again, while it does gimp the party it is still not a viable excuse to kick someone. Do we know if they are doing it on purpose? Who knows. Maybe they are new, just started out. maybe they don't know how to start their job quest, whatever the reason. Talk before you auto assume. Maybe they don't know that not using the job crystal hinders them. And I have never heard of someone "purposely" not using their crystal just to gimp a party. There is no benefit from the class user. Chances are they are not aware. So before people start kicking prematurely, just ask.

YOU think it's a misuse, but you don't set the rules, those who do set the rules wont take any action regardless of your personal feelings about it.

But I do agree with you that people should talk before even thinking about kicking, just to make sure it's not intentional.

[Grey_Cain]

Strategy is one thing, but your character stats are another. Kicking a person from a DF group for being a Class is like kicking a MNK or DRG because you want BRD only, or kicking a WAR because you wanted PLD, or kicking an i70 from CT because you only accept i85+ in your DF parties. That's abuse. That has nothing to do with strategy. A strategy is something that can be changed to fit the playstyle of the party as a whole, but your choice of class or job once in an instance can't be changed.

Ultimately, it's up to the particular GM that takes the call to make that distinction. I hope they all can figure it out the difference because it would be incredibly stupid for SE to allow a player to queue as a Class and then also allow them to be kicked/excluded for queuing as a Class.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

If you join as a class, especially at level 50, then you're clearly trolling and are subject to being kicked for harassment.

[ValkyrieL]

There is nothing stopping you, other than the party who will immediately vote kick the person not wearing their soul crystal.

This man here has spoken the words of wisdom.

[Alukah]

Strategy is one thing, but your character stats are another. Kicking a person from a DF group for being a Class is like kicking a MNK or DRG because you want BRD only, or kicking a WAR because you wanted PLD, or kicking an i70 from CT because you only accept i85+ in your DF parties. That's abuse. That has nothing to do with strategy. A strategy is something that can be changed to fit the playstyle of the party as a whole, but your choice of class or job once in an instance can't be changed.

Ultimately, it's up to the particular GM that takes the call to make that distinction. I hope they all can figure it out the difference because it would be incredibly stupid for SE to allow a player to queue as a Class and then also allow them to be kicked/excluded for queuing as a Class.

No, kicking someone for choosing to gimp the group has nothing to do with kicking a job for another.

[HiPotion]

because some end game gears are tied to job-only not job+class

[Lemuria]

Actually, all the 110 gear (minus Novus) is able to be equipped by a class.

I did sort of address that in the quote, but it doesn't solve the weapon issue unless you also happen to have one of the rather expensive or hard to obtain i100+ weapons.

Of course, if you're geared to the nines anyway then going as a class is undermining all of that progress simply for the sake of it.