What's stopping us from queueing without a job?

[ispano]

You must select a reason for using votekick and you will get suspended if you abuse votekick for kicking for a reason you didn't select (otherwise known as votekick abuse). Where did you get this ridiculous claim from?

This quote is from this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...d-immediately.

Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc).

To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc).

It's from a GM responding to a report about being kicked. I don't think this is the original thread that quote was posted in either, looking for that now.

EDIT: Found it: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-at-its-best.

[Hyouretsuzan]

This quote is from this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...d-immediately.



It's from a GM responding to a report about being kicked. I don't think this is the original thread that quote was posted in either, looking for that now.

EDIT: Found it: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-at-its-best.

This is mostly referred to pre-made parties. If you join a party and the leader (overall party members) don't like the fact that you are on a class and not on a job, then that is understandable. But if this is happening within a PUG'd group, then it's different. You can't switch jobs once you're in a duty. So if you're kicked, then its still misuse.

[ispano]

This is mostly referred to pre-made parties. If you join a party and the leader (overall party members) don't like the fact that you are on a class and not on a job, then that is understandable. But if this is happening within a PUG'd group, then it's different. You can't switch jobs once you're in a duty. So if you're kicked, then its still misuse.

You can't vote kick in premades. Also, read the quote. It literally says "removed from a duty finder group"

[Hyouretsuzan]

You can't vote kick in premades.

My apologies then. But this does raise an issue. Example: if someone (for whatever reason) join a duty via duty finder on a class, someone in your party say "woah, why are you using a class?" Then you shortly get kicked, what then? Was it justifiable? That person couldn't really switch jobs if he could, right? So did he deserve the kick? Should the person who initiated the kick be penalized?

[ispano]

My apologies then. But this does raise an issue. Example: if you (for whatever reason) join a duty via duty finder on a class, someone in your party say "woah, why are you using a class?" Then you shortly get kicked, what then? Was it justifiable? That person couldn't really switch jobs if he could, right? So did he deserve the kick? Should the person who initiated the kick be penalized?

The thing you have to remember, is that person alone cannot kick you. He can initiate the vote, but others have to agree to do so. It basically boils down to majority rules.

[Odett]

My apologies then. But this does raise an issue. Example: if someone (for whatever reason) join a duty via duty finder on a class, someone in your party say "woah, why are you using a class?" Then you shortly get kicked, what then? Was it justifiable? That person couldn't really switch jobs if he could, right? So did he deserve the kick? Should the person who initiated the kick be penalized?

Why should the initiator be penalized? You're choosing to not equip your job crystal and make the run harder for your group members. Purposely choosing to gimp your group members should justify a kick.

[Hyouretsuzan]

Why should the initiator be penalized? You're choosing to not equip your job crystal and make the run harder for your group members. Purposely choosing to gimp your group members should justify a kick.

Well for starters it's still misuse. I'll say it again, while it does gimp the party it is still not a viable excuse to kick someone. Do we know if they are doing it on purpose? Who knows. Maybe they are new, just started out. maybe they don't know how to start their job quest, whatever the reason. Talk before you auto assume. Maybe they don't know that not using the job crystal hinders them. And I have never heard of someone "purposely" not using their crystal just to gimp a party. There is no benefit from the class user. Chances are they are not aware. So before people start kicking prematurely, just ask.

[Odett]

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If they're level 30-32, then yes, it's perfectly normal that they are not aware of Jobs (the person that gives you the quest is in the same area, but whatever, people oversee things) and they should be told about it. If they don't know that the job crystal hinders them, then they can be told by the party, but they can still be kicked because it's majority rules.

I'm not auto-assuming, I HAVE met people that say "I don't like DRG (or insert whatever job you want here), I like Lancer better". Why do they do that? What thought process do they use to arrive to such a conclusion? We'll never know, but they can be kicked because it is hindering the rest of the group.

No, it is not a misuse, and there is proof earlier in the thread that shows this. If you're kicked because you haven't unlocked your job, then do so, and queue again, problem solved.

[Alukah]

Well for starters it's still misuse. I'll say it again, while it does gimp the party it is still not a viable excuse to kick someone. Do we know if they are doing it on purpose? Who knows. Maybe they are new, just started out. maybe they don't know how to start their job quest, whatever the reason. Talk before you auto assume. Maybe they don't know that not using the job crystal hinders them. And I have never heard of someone "purposely" not using their crystal just to gimp a party. There is no benefit from the class user. Chances are they are not aware. So before people start kicking prematurely, just ask.

YOU think it's a misuse, but you don't set the rules, those who do set the rules wont take any action regardless of your personal feelings about it.

But I do agree with you that people should talk before even thinking about kicking, just to make sure it's not intentional.

[Nalien]

So did he deserve the kick?

Yes. To me, turning up on a Class is the equivalent of turning up in gimped gear. While people may not like people SBing in content, at least that has a purpose; everyone needs materia at this point. Why turn up on a Class? What purpose does that server? To gimp your group, that's all.