What's stopping us from queueing without a job?

[Alukah]

I do it occasionally going in a party without a soul crystal and i'm still waiting to this day to report that one fool to kick me for not wearing one.
its been months and many cleared runs but still no luck D:

Report for what? GMs stated they won't intervene when vote kick is used due to different player strategy, you have to abide by what the majority decides.

[UBERHAXED]

Report for what? GMs stated they won't intervene when vote kick is used due to different player strategy, you have to abide by what the majority decides.

You must select a reason for using votekick and you will get suspended if you abuse votekick for kicking for a reason you didn't select (otherwise known as votekick abuse). Where did you get this ridiculous claim from?

[ispano]

You must select a reason for using votekick and you will get suspended if you abuse votekick for kicking for a reason you didn't select (otherwise known as votekick abuse). Where did you get this ridiculous claim from?

This quote is from this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...d-immediately.

Although we understand the impact that is caused after being removed from a duty finder group, please be aware that Game Masters will be unable to take action if a group member has been removed due to a player dispute, or if their game style differs (i.e. skipping in-game cutscenes, disagreement on using specific boss encounter tactics etc).

To avoid such incidents in the future, we would advise to speak with either the group leader or fellow party members when joining a new group to discuss any specific party restrictions that need to be addressed (i.e. any loot priorities, allowing group members to watch cutscenes etc).

It's from a GM responding to a report about being kicked. I don't think this is the original thread that quote was posted in either, looking for that now.

EDIT: Found it: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-at-its-best.

[Hyouretsuzan]

This quote is from this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...d-immediately.



It's from a GM responding to a report about being kicked. I don't think this is the original thread that quote was posted in either, looking for that now.

EDIT: Found it: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-at-its-best.

This is mostly referred to pre-made parties. If you join a party and the leader (overall party members) don't like the fact that you are on a class and not on a job, then that is understandable. But if this is happening within a PUG'd group, then it's different. You can't switch jobs once you're in a duty. So if you're kicked, then its still misuse.

[ispano]

This is mostly referred to pre-made parties. If you join a party and the leader (overall party members) don't like the fact that you are on a class and not on a job, then that is understandable. But if this is happening within a PUG'd group, then it's different. You can't switch jobs once you're in a duty. So if you're kicked, then its still misuse.

You can't vote kick in premades. Also, read the quote. It literally says "removed from a duty finder group"

[Hyouretsuzan]

You can't vote kick in premades.

My apologies then. But this does raise an issue. Example: if someone (for whatever reason) join a duty via duty finder on a class, someone in your party say "woah, why are you using a class?" Then you shortly get kicked, what then? Was it justifiable? That person couldn't really switch jobs if he could, right? So did he deserve the kick? Should the person who initiated the kick be penalized?

[ispano]

My apologies then. But this does raise an issue. Example: if you (for whatever reason) join a duty via duty finder on a class, someone in your party say "woah, why are you using a class?" Then you shortly get kicked, what then? Was it justifiable? That person couldn't really switch jobs if he could, right? So did he deserve the kick? Should the person who initiated the kick be penalized?

The thing you have to remember, is that person alone cannot kick you. He can initiate the vote, but others have to agree to do so. It basically boils down to majority rules.

[Odett]

My apologies then. But this does raise an issue. Example: if someone (for whatever reason) join a duty via duty finder on a class, someone in your party say "woah, why are you using a class?" Then you shortly get kicked, what then? Was it justifiable? That person couldn't really switch jobs if he could, right? So did he deserve the kick? Should the person who initiated the kick be penalized?

Why should the initiator be penalized? You're choosing to not equip your job crystal and make the run harder for your group members. Purposely choosing to gimp your group members should justify a kick.

[Nalien]

So did he deserve the kick?

Yes. To me, turning up on a Class is the equivalent of turning up in gimped gear. While people may not like people SBing in content, at least that has a purpose; everyone needs materia at this point. Why turn up on a Class? What purpose does that server? To gimp your group, that's all.

[Barboron]

You must select a reason for using votekick and you will get suspended if you abuse votekick for kicking for a reason you didn't select (otherwise known as votekick abuse). Where did you get this ridiculous claim from?

Actually, he's right. I got vote kicked from a CT run for spiritbonding. There was a huge thread here on the forums about it, I was doing my job well even with SBing gear but that's beside the point. I filed a report stating abuse of the vote kick system and that's is, in short, what I was told. I went on to tell the GM that is was a party I entered through the DF and it wasn't pre-made like s/he first believed, saying I shouldn't have joined a party that had a different play style. It is ridiculous because if a DPS in particular is kicked, they take a bigger loss than anyone else.