permit FC queueing for Frontline

[Parz3val]

Did try coordinating with friends, but we were all post 30 in our respective GC's prior to Frontlines release.

Also, it's messed up to require anyone change since some are huge aesthetic turn-offs (like my friends hate the Pirate motif of Maelstrom, I can't stand Ul'dah, etc.).

In large part SE's fault as they'd stated in the past that GC decision would have next-to-no affect on playability (essentially).

Also, I have a GC PvP LS, but I want to play with my FC mates & current friends moreso.

[Divinemight]

Did try coordinating with friends, but we were all post 30 in our respective GC's prior to Frontlines release.

Also, it's messed up to require anyone change since some are huge aesthetic turn-offs (like my friends hate the Pirate motif of Maelstrom, I can't stand Ul'dah, etc.).

In large part SE's fault as they'd stated in the past that GC decision would have next-to-no affect on playability (essentially).

Also, I have a GC PvP LS, but I want to play with my FC mates & current friends moreso.

No offense, I am not buying that story of "I am already rank 30....." crap, it is just an excuse consdering current amount of PvP experience you are getting from winning or losing the Frontline. Here is a quote from someone post on PvP fourm:

Yea I used to have long waits with Maelstrom. I switched to Adder and it queues pretty fast now. Won 14 out of 32 so far this week so it's not too bad being an adder (except when b team ignores mid or gets there late >.>).I was about to reach 39 as maelstrom but eh, rank 22 now i think with adder. Not so bad.

You have started this thread since July 05, 2014 and now is August 28, 2014. Anyone would be a Rank 40 for while right now even you switched. You will not be in disadvantage position because they have adjusted entire PvP action system. It is much more progressive for you to just change GC already than keep ranting here when you dont really have a strong supportive arguments.

This is not Wolf Den in 2.2 where you only get 40 to 60 points for winning and 20 points for winning. The points you are getting is 300% more in 2.3. Stop use your GC rank as defense and just change it already if you want to play with your friends.

[Fyce]

Allowing people to tag for Frontlines under the banner of their FC's GC or under the banner of our own personnal GC doesn't make any sense regarding the lore.
While I agree that the gameplay shall prevail, I cannot completly drop the lore, especially in a Lore-heavy game like FF XIV.

Therefore, I find the restriction to be legitimate considering the context of the game.

The lore in FF XIV greatly increase the immersion and Role Playing aspect of this MMORPG.
If I'm forced to face my FC buddies because of my own choice, so be it. It gives my own decision a pleasant weight which is something lacking in most mmos.

[Parz3val]

Allowing people to tag for Frontlines under the banner of their FC's GC or under the banner of our own personnal GC doesn't make any sense regarding the lore.
While I agree that the gameplay shall prevail, I cannot completly drop the lore, especially in a Lore-heavy game like FF XIV.

Therefore, I find the restriction to be legitimate considering the context of the game.

It's illegitimate by design. Read below.

Also, GC v GC doesn't necessarily mean an FC's GC affiliation doesn't count (or shouldn't for that matter).

I'm a member of an FC that's allied with Twin Adders, I am personally aligned with the Maelstrom, aren't I *technically* enlisted in both then?

If the lore were to act as if the GC's are now in conflict over some territory, wouldn't it be just as absurd to allow us to enlist in a FC that endorses our known enemy? Yet they're not preventing us from being in any GC affiliated FC we want.

The Red Post I've linked below effectively affirms my feelings about FC GC Affiliation & our 'membership', if you will... our FC is a subdivision ("subsidiary") of whichever GC it has aligned with... so we're essentially a branch/squadron underneath the GC military umbrella.

If that doesn't tell me I'm a valid part of that GC just as much as the other GC I've personally enlisted in, I don't know what does.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...780#post833780

[Xystic]

I'm a member of an FC that's allied with Twin Adders, I am personally aligned with the Maelstrom, aren't I *technically* enlisted in both then?

No they are not the same. You are aligned with the Maelstrom. Your FC is aligned with Twin Adders. Just because you work for your FC, does not mean you are aligned with Twin Adders.

For example, my company is from Germany but I work for them as an American. Just because I work for them doesn't mean I'm a German.

[Fyce]

I'm a member of an FC that's allied with Twin Adders, I am personally aligned with the Maelstrom, aren't I *technically* enlisted in both then?

I don't see it like that.
FC's registration to a GC is an administrative choice, and not a military one.

You, on the other hand, have to support and fight for the Grand Company you choose, giving it supplies and equipment while being able to exchange seals for goods provided by said GC.

In short: you really are fighting for your GC while your FC doesn't.
Therefore, it does actually make sense for you to fight in the name of your own GC rather than your FC's GC.

Plus, I'll add that Free Companies are, obviously, "Free". They just have to be on a GC's record to legitimatly be recognized on Eorzea, but their actions depends completly on their will.

The power of GCs on the FCs barely exists, while the bond between you and your GC is much stronger.

[Parz3val]

@Divinemight, there was a thing called Wolves Den prior to Frontlines' release... y'know.

[Divinemight]

@Divinemight, there was a thing called Wolves Den prior to Frontlines' release... y'know.

I am aware of that but do you aware of the following?

1. PvP experince has been increased more than 300%, (WD 2.2) 60 for winning to (Frontline 2.3) 600 and 20 for lossing to 300.
2. PvP action system has been improved: (WD 2.2) no pvp action if change GC to (Frontline 2.3) you keep all PvP actions as default.

Also showed you an exmaple of a Malestorm player who was ranked 39 and becomes a Rank 22 Twin Adders without much trouble. Keep going.... what is next?

[Parz3val]

I am aware of that but do you aware of the following?

1. PvP experince has been increased more than 300%, (WD 2.2) 60 for winning to (Frontline 2.3) 600 and 20 for lossing to 300.

1) it still takes an insane amount of time/effort to get to 40 regardless.
2) it still doesn't change how it's really uncool forcing us into the same GC as our friends when we dislike the respective GC & SE already went on record stating it would have next-to-no bearing which GC we chose to be a part of.

No they are not the same. You are aligned with the Maelstrom. Your FC is aligned with Twin Adders. Just because you work for your FC, does not mean you are aligned with Twin Adders..

Read it again, all of it.

FC's registration to a GC is an administrative choice, and not a military one.

Semantics. Administratively aligned or Militaristically, you're still siding with your known enemy... it's still an act of treason.

I do not agree with the ability to queue with whatever GC you or your friends feel like at the time.

I haven't asked for that.

[Fyce]

Semantics. Administratively aligned or Militaristically, you're still siding with your known enemy... it's still an act of treason.

GCs are not enemies.
They only are on the Frontlines, on Cartenau, which is under a very specific set of rules, and every three GCs had an agreement regarding this particular case.
Even then, they are not "enemies" per se, they are just competing for a power that would reinforce their military force to deal with the problems of their respective cities.
They deliberatly choose to fight for Cartenau rather than trying to "discuss" or to "buy" it.

Anyway, the difference between "administrative registration" and "military affiliation" is a big deal and does not just concerns semantics like you say.

GCs are sending soldiers from their own forces to fight for Cartenau. They're not sending FCs, because they don't have the power to ask them anything on a military level. That's basically it.