Tanks keep leaving the dungeon

[Kaethra]

We have a 'tank' in this thread saying they'd rather sit out for 30 minutes than run Toto in 45? I have to say this.. people like that leaving are actually doing you all a favor. My pugilist (aka monk before 30) in foestriker could tank Toto Rak in under 30 minutes with just a healer and another dps (have to tank sometimes because of sketchy tanks). If you're healer is willing and able, non-clothie DPS can tank some of these lower level dungeons alright. So don't worry about losing 'tank's. And of course I put tank in quotes because those people aren't tanks, their leeches. As I said, them leaving is doing you a favor and saving a headache.

That math doesn't add up.. 45 minutes is not more than 30 minutes of debuff plus 25 minutes of an 'awesome' run. Which such a tank cannot pull off with such an attitude anyway.

[ispano]

That math doesn't add up.. 45 minutes is not more than 30 minutes of debuff plus 25 minutes of an 'awesome' run. Which such a tank cannot pull off with such an attitude anyway.

Except they can do other things in that 30 minutes.

[Lithera]

Except they can do other things in that 30 minutes.

Of course they can but they still need to hit that roulette if they want their bonus. It's a pretty hilarious roll of the dice to ditch Lost City when you could very well get it again when your penalty expires. Going to ditch again? Now you've burned a full hour that you can't run a dungeon and pissed off six people instead of just three. Not to mention you still haven't completed your roulette.

[Adler]

lol. Problem is that there are sometimes completely useless players who can't play any role so they end up being tanks or healers "because everybody need tank or healer and you just have to live with that". So these "special" people often leave the roulette dungeons they simply can't complete right at start.

Btw, have seen paladin in all soldiery gear running Brayflox hm and using only Flash the whole run. He usually took groups of 3 mobs and barely could keep hate of 1 but he kept bitching about having melee dps in group which has ruined his chance for speed run. I think it took about an hour to finish run and I would better have him leave at start.

[Zefiris]

Sometimes when a dungeon as Haukke Manor HM looks more difficult than the habitual, I am going to look for DPSs gear and sometimes see things as black mage using gear STR, or dragoon using gear int. Well, I never quit, only try to use all my skill to mitigate the damage in that person. But tank can stay with rage and drop. I do not blame by rage quit.

[Alcyon1]

Is there a different penalty for leaving after 20 seconds instead of 10 minutes ? No. When you say "the penalty needs to be harsher", you're talking about the current one.

And having a different penalty for tanks is like giving a different punishment for tanks is just stupid.

[LetBloodline]

Is there a different penalty for leaving after 20 seconds instead of 10 minutes ? No. When you say "the penalty needs to be harsher", you're talking about the current one.

And having a different penalty for tanks is like giving a different punishment for tanks is just stupid.

I'm not talking about current one globally, i'm talking about a penality for insta-quit that is what we are debating about. Now there is no difference, and i'd like to see a harsher penality IF you quit right off the bat (or few minutes after the start)
I whould give the penality for early quit for everyone regardless of role, but i always see tanks quit that way so...

[ispano]

I'm not talking about current one globally, i'm talking about a penality for insta-quit that is what we are debating about. Now there is no difference, and i'd like to see a harsher penality IF you quit right off the bat (or few minutes after the start)
I whould give the penality for early quit for everyone regardless of role, but i always see tanks quit that way so...

The main problem with increasing the punishment is that it won't do what you want. If you make it much harsher than the current one, people will either just stop queuing altogether, or afk til you kick them so they don't have to eat the penalty.

[Alcyon1]

The main problem with increasing the punishment is that it won't do what you want. If you make it much harsher than the current one, people will either just stop queuing altogether, or afk til you kick them so they don't have to eat the penalty.

And then he'll ask for harsher punishments, and people will just find a way to go around them, and he will ask for even harsher punishments, etc.

[ispano]

And then he'll ask for harsher punishments, and people will just find a way to go around them, and he will ask for even harsher punishments, etc.

Of course.

But for the people wanting harsher punishments. You can not FORCE someone to do something they don't want to. You can't. Harsher punishments are just going to make them want to do it even less in the first place. This whole mentality reeks of certain people wanting other people to play their way or be punished otherwise.