Echo for EX and Coils, wtf?

[Welsper59]

No, I'm just suggesting that old content isn't worthless, and that new players (like myself), and even older players, might find value in going back and experiencing an encounter how it was originally scaled. Throwing in an achievement for that is a minimal touch, and one that has value I think.

None of this is about feeling like a "special snowflake", it's about keeping content around that appeals to those that like it. I'm certainly willing to concede that it may be necessary to have things like the echo, for players with disabilities, or lack of time, or bad reaction times, etc, being inclusive is probably a good thing. At the same time I am not disabled, I have fast reaction times, I enjoy the challenge and team building process, and also don't have a lack of time. Being inclusive goes both ways.

Short of lowering your gear to the intended ilvl, or the possible future implementation of an ilvl cap (which is unlikely for older content), you will never experience the same content in the intended way. AND if a group really did want to do something without the echo... just turn it off? Or were you implying that these people would miraculously experience a complete Coil with a group of strangers (which is generally not how this content is intended to be initially experienced)? I would love to see pure DF/PF-type pugs complete Coil in its intended form and difficulty LOL.

The whole argument makes little sense when you back it up with such unrealistic and merely theoretical assumptions.

I mean honestly having some structure and competition to things is fun. Time trials and leaderboards might be cool as well. Why are some of you seemingly so opposed to it?

Because some people are not so gluttonous about their wants as folks like you. Some of us are fine with the easing of content. Some of us understand that others can't handle some difficult content that isn't currently the main endgame progressive raid. There's also an understanding that by having the buff up, people won't be so quick to flame each other, given the better odds of clearing it faster/easier. And then, there's those of us that understand your complaints are just being made for the hell of it. You're literally looking for something that people don't care about. You said it yourself, others (including YOU) wouldn't bother with this unless it were literally forced on you. So why is it something you want?

I get the idea/enjoyment of going back and experiencing something for how it was, but you have to understand one thing... our gear gets better as time goes on. Do you really believe you and your raid would actually go back to it wearing nothing but i70 gear for most turns? Add myth and other i90 gear as you go through the latter turns. No, you wouldn't do it. If you're too lazy/stubborn to bother turning off the echo buff to experience the content without it, I can guarantee (with 100% certainty), you'd be too lazy/stubborn to revert back to that lower ilvl gear.