Echo for EX and Coils, wtf?

[Moqi]

ITT: People calling those who need echo stupid and bad when they can't even right click a buff icon and equip some lower level gear.

...ok

[Raindene]

I feel like some people are forgetting that the Echo is implemented to help people catch up and get access to more content...and honestly, speaking from experience, TEX is still something I can't beat, even with Echo, for multiple reasons (other than me not being that amazing of a player). I don't have the fastest reaction speed and due to some mental stuff I get distracted a lot easier than I should (as in, I lose focus the moment someone talks to me on Vent and plumes eat me). There's also the fact I'm from Europe, which means latency can get pretty bad at points, for me at least.

My point is, the Echo is not some magical buff to help people insta-win things. It's supposed to make things slightly easier sure, but it's not a free win card like some people like to claim it is and while I think 20% on the first Coil is a bit of an overkill, I understand SE's reasoning behind it.

[Exstal]

The only legitimate complaint is that Turns 1, and 2 of The Binding Coil of Bahamut is physically easier than inception. You couldn't cleanse high voltage (so if you didn't have 2 silences, you pretty much lost). You had to feed slimes to Caduceus. DPS checks were pretty strict and you had lesser gear.

Echo helps the gear portion.
Nothing can fix the mechanic portion because it has been edited out of the fights.

[Ghasto]

ITT; people who actually need Echo

[Exstal]

ITT; people who actually need Echo

You're in this thread, so you need echo too.

[Gilthas]

ITT; people who actually need Echo

Which is obviously a bad thing.

All bow down to Ghasto, the god of gaming.

[Sapphic]

Echo does not help in many fights. It isn't the stuff that echo boosts that stop some players on content, it's the mechanics. That extra stat boost will not help players who cannot handle one shot mechanics.

Echo is nothing more than going into said content wearing a higher tier of gear.

Not dodging landslides, eating 5 stacked plumes, eating divebombs and getting knocked into the edge of the fire, not moving when twisters are cast, not running to the opposite side of the ship when LEvi slams with no barriers to stop you taking a swim. Killing the moogles too early. Echo will not save you from them just a few examples.

[OranKells]

I'm of two minds on this.

I am not a fan of people being carried through early content because they are an unskilled player only to arrive in much harder battles later in which they cause the group to fail because they didn't learn the lessons of the earlier battle.

that being said; no amount of echo will help you dodge a landslide or a twister, it will not teach you how to not kill the spiny plume or one of the moogleguards. echo will not optimize your rotation or walk your dog or do your homework.

All echo does is artificially boost your ilvl and thus your hp & dps all of which is secondary in most battles to your skill at the dance dance dodge dodge revolution part of the battle and understanding the mechanics

now considering all that, IF for some reason everyone knows the mechanics , can dodge everything, everyone is dressed to the 9s in soliderr/coil gear and you still cant seem to clear it with some echo

then its you.
You kinda suck and probably don't deserve to win. sorry

[Gilraen]

Fanning the flames in this post, I know, but the Echo is not an 'Easy' button. Echo isn't a buff, it's a crutch. I tried doing Garuda Extreme with a group who never did it before, managed to get to the last phase a couple times, had Echo out the arse... still lost. After 4-5 wipes people started bailing unhappy that even with the Echo we never killed her. The Echo is not some magical level 75 tank that will carry a fight for you out of awesome, it is a minor 'buff' that just gives you a little more health, defense and attack. I think it's a 5% boost maximum. 5% Take the last digit off whatever number you're looking at in those areas and cut it in half and that's what you're getting. 2800 HP becomes 2940 HP. Doesn't look like much now, does it. That's not even enough to withstand a stomp from Titan in his last phase.

[Tupsi]

Fanning the flames in this post, I know, but the Echo is not an 'Easy' button. Echo isn't a buff, it's a crutch. I tried doing Garuda Extreme with a group who never did it before, managed to get to the last phase a couple times, had Echo out the arse... still lost.

People still mess up twisters and all you have to do is not stand still or run into people - If people can mess up such an easy concept as running in a small circle around you or a straight line away from someone else, people can mess up anything no matter how easy or hard.

Literally, twisters is just not standing still...but tunnelvision is a powerful thing.

The Echo is not some magical level 75 tank that will carry a fight for you out of awesome, it is a minor 'buff'

Yoshida (Director/Producer) himself calls it a buff to help players, the game itself calls it a buff to help players - The very fact it allows more leeway means it is there to carry you and make it easier, or in the game's terms, 'facilitate victory.'

2800 HP becomes 2940 HP

9100 HP tank Hp eventually becomes over 11k, without a buff (e.g Thrill of Battle), 3200-3800 Hp mages becomes over 5k HP mages, meaning what used to one shot them, e.g plumes, no longer does. So a simple 2800-2940? I think you're ignoring the obvious that echo adds well over 25-50% bonus HP not counting food and VIT bonus from party.