Echo for EX and Coils, wtf?

[Senfei]

Garuda/Titan/Ifrit EX and Coil T1-5 are not "end game" anymore. They are buffed so people can get to the current end game, and even then there are substantial roadblocks. Even with echo, Titan EX is still hard. Even with echo, Twin will make you cry. When you say stuff like this, people who actually care about progression are raising their eyebrow at you because they've been done with these fights for ages and are actually playing through the end game content of the game.

[Welsper59]

This is basically what I'm getting at. I don't like the echo in general, but I can accept having it as a tool to help bad players catch up to the latest content. However it shouldn't act as a progression loophole, and at LEAST you shouldn't be given achievements for it....

They're different slots, first off for loot. Mog = Neck, Levi = weapon. Levi weapons, btw, are i95... with an EXTREMELY unreliable chance at i100. Ramuh = i100 weapons and i100 rings. Different ilvl weapon from Levi and a different armor/accessory slot.The rings are most likely guaranteed, with weapons as a random chance.

Even if they were to drop something from each every kill, that's still an essentially different means to gearing without a loophole of sorts. Primals are side content, intended to offer challenges outside of Coil and rewards accordingly. You make it seem as though things like Soldiery gear don't exist.

Ehhh, players need it.

Just as long as they keep the current lockout premier raids w/o it I say let them have their crutches, its for irrelevant gear anyways.

^ that.

[Kat_Manx]

Hey, they added Brutal Coil for people who have the need to feel proud, so that should solve the "problem." ^.^

[Hali]

Leviathan has lots of one shot mechanics

[DeadRiser]

They aren't handing anyone anything.

You still have to learn the fight.
You still have to know your role.
You still have to complete the fight itself.

If you feel that way, take off the buff if you ever do that content. No one is getting handed anything.

[Alkimi]

Dunno what that's supposed to mean but I'll clarify. Leviathan can dump people off the boat with his dash and slam mechanics, and echo won't help people there.

[Tupsi]

They aren't handing anyone anything.

You still have to learn the fight.
You still have to know your role.
You still have to complete the fight itself.

If you feel that way, take off the buff if you ever do that content. No one is getting handed anything.

1. You still have to learn the fight...BUT, due to the echo buff there's A LOT more room for error unless it's an instant kill mechanic.
2. You still have to know your role, again, due to the buff, unless you never learned how to play prior to entering Extreme Primals and Coil, which come fairly late in the game, long after you should know your class by now, yeah, it even gives you some leeway because of the added boost you attack and healing.
3. You still have to complete the fight, again, aside instant kill abilities, having 15-20+% buff leaves much room for error and makes it far easier to complete.

Theres no denying there isn't a go in and push one button and win, but the buff does make it significantly easier, dive bombs used to be instant death for many even when not knocked into a wall.

[Karnyboy]

This bothers you because......?

[Dels]

I'm really sorry, TC...The majority of players around here are, well, bad players who LIKE to be handed these things. They do content purely for the grind, to get more rewards, and this echo lets them do that easier.

The truth is...SE made a decision to screw over players like us, to make things easier for them. Those of us who truly enjoy the game and enjoy tackling difficult content get penalized by this echo buff. SE is basically saying "If you didn't do this within the first few months, it means you don't care about experiencing it the way it was when it was released".

To anyone saying the fights are still challenging: You are wrong. Turns, 1, 2, and 4 used to be fun. Now, they are a joke. You can go into them without knowing any of the mechanics and you'll be fine. Some of us actually enjoyed having to do those fights the normal way...as in, actually having to deal with the mechanics. But now, it is impossible.

"You can turn it off"? Are you kidding me? Please, find me a party of 7 other people in the PF willing to turn off the echo. Yeah right. Like I said, people care more about quickly getting "loot" than about completing the fights for fun.

A new player who wants to experience what it was like to do these coil turns when they were difficult...will never be able to experience that. Its sad.

And I can't believe so many of you are being so dismissive of the TC. The game hands us these victories for free, and we are allowed to have a problem with it.

[Kyoskai]

boop

I honestly can't tell if you're being truly insulting or sarcastic...
You are allowed to have a problem with it, and we are allowed to have a problem with you having a problem with it.