Echo for EX and Coils, wtf?

[RayneBoemir]

If you aren't up to snuff you aren't going to beat these encounters even with Echo due to the mechanics of the fights

[Hyouretsuzan]

Why do people care if others are gonna get bolstered by the echo? If you beat the content without the echo, then kudos to you. If you don't like it then turn it off. It was available since the beginning echo was introduced to trials. It's kinda getting old.

[Fynlar]

The reason things have the Echo now is because they're old. It's the game's way of telling you "why are you still putzing around with this yesteryear content?"

By the way, even though Echo makes it pretty easy for just a few people to carry the rest of the group through Titan HM, it definitely won't do that in Titan EX.

[Venos]

You can have all the Echo buff you want but if you can't dodge you still will be taking damege and dying. Like really, some of y'all really be over doing it on here..

[Paruza]

I find it odd that levi/mog em are getting echo when ramuh's drops are the exact same ilvl. How the hell does that make any sense whatsoever.

This is basically what I'm getting at. I don't like the echo in general, but I can accept having it as a tool to help bad players catch up to the latest content. However it shouldn't act as a progression loophole, and at LEAST you shouldn't be given achievements for it....

[Felis]

I find it odd that levi/mog em are getting echo when ramuh's drops are the exact same ilvl. How the hell does that make any sense whatsoever.

Levi/Mog ex would be in DF, Ramuh ex not
You also need to clear Levi/Mog ex to unlock Ramuh ex

Just see the echo as somehing that balance out the difficulty with random people in DF a bit.
People who enter the content with a pre-formed paty can still turn off the buff

[Barboron]

The point is that the people who can complete it, already have so there's no real issue with implementing the Echo. Also, as per the patch notes, the Extreme modes are being released into the roulette as far as we know for now. You want to go into DF and fight an EX without an echo? Good luck!

[Brainberry]

Ehhh, players need it.

Just as long as they keep the current lockout premier raids w/o it I say let them have their crutches, its for irrelevant gear anyways.

[Kuwagami]

For noob content, I think having the game basically hand you victory's is OK (I still don't like it, but I can tolerate it). However for content that's supposed to be truly endgame and a challenge, I really feel like the echo is pretty horrible.

flash news, Coil and Ex primals up to levi/moggle aren't endgame anymore.

Also, you can remove Echo if you really want (but you won't)

Oh and

(I still don't like it, but I can tolerate it)

Thank you for tolerating a decision made by the devs to help people go through the content ? I guess ? maybe..

[Alkimi]

I really don't see how the echo is going to help in either Levi Ex or Moogle Ex.

Leviathan has lots of one shot mechanics and you can already enrage him by doing too much dps, and Moogle isn't the sort of fight where dps even matters at all.