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  1. #31
    Player KingAhmoseTheFirst's Avatar
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    King Ahmose
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    Quote Originally Posted by saeedaisspecial View Post
    [B]The changes that came during 2.1 were at a time where BRD was considered the very overpowered because of its utility as well as its ability to deal damage in very movement heavy encounters (and at the time of 2.1 almost every fight was movement heavy). The changes put BRD on par with every other DPS, and now while BRD does less DPS naturally than say, a MNK or a SMN, they have far more utility, which makes up for the reduced DPS in terms of usefulness to a party.

    You are not a pure DPS job. You are a Support-DPS. If you want to win in DPS, go play another job.
    I know, I know... But dammit I like DPS to... Yet some will argue that BARD isnt a support job.. =/ But if they were going to make a support job they should have at least kept Rain of Death as it was..
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    DoctorPepper's Avatar
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    Doctor Pepper
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    I used rain of death all the time in 2.0 in Turn 4. Tanks would ask me to always have it up.

    And no, bard is a dps job with support as back up. 90% dps, 10% support. The support side is only when needed.
    Not sure that I agree with this statement, Foe Requiem for example should be used often if you have some good mages in the party. Also, in longer fights Paeon and occasionally ballad become a requirement pretty much. I think most good bards spend more then 10% of a fight with songs up. I would agree that you spend most of your time using dps abilities but I think the primary role is to provide support as well, I'm sure when the level cap is increased and there are more songs available bard will become even more of a support role.
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    Last edited by DoctorPepper; 07-05-2014 at 02:06 AM.

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    Alexia89's Avatar
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    Clara Necris
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    /facepalm.
    /facepalm, everywhere.
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    Thera Logo
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingAhmoseTheFirst View Post
    lol.. I said sustaining an avg amount of dps.. So why you confused again?
    "Having trouble sustaining DPS"
    "Having trouble sustaining an avg amount of DPS"
    Is the same thing.

    You are rather defensive for someone having a problem.
    maybe you should talk to the DPS forum and see what your doing wrong.

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  5. #35
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    saeedaisspecial's Avatar
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    Kool Kat
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    I used rain of death all the time in 2.0 in Turns 1 and 4. Tanks would ask me to always have it up.

    And no, bard is a dps job with support as back up. 90% dps, 10% support. The support side is only when needed. How good the party is, the less they have to rely on bard's support to bail them out. The majority of the time, bard will be focusing entirely on dps while singing foe to boost caster dps.
    While all true, you're sort of missing the point I intended. Yes, you're going to be DPSing the majority of the time, but the support aspect of BRD is very desirable and makes up for the lower DPS the job does compared to other pure DPS. That's all I really meant by what I said.
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    Admiral-Bulldog's Avatar
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    Inertia Savior'
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    Tonberry
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by KingAhmoseTheFirst View Post
    This BARD is feeling some type of way..... With the changes they have made to other classes/jobs this is kind of a spit in the face to BARDS... I play on PS4 using a controller and have problem as it sustaining my DPS at an avg amount but what was the reason they nerfed bard again? I just don't see a reason for this now if they're making other classes that was already OP even more OP... Really SE? =/
    They nerfed bard again?
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  7. #37
    Player KingAhmoseTheFirst's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logo View Post
    "Having trouble sustaining DPS"
    "Having trouble sustaining an avg amount of DPS"
    Is the same thing.

    You are rather defensive for someone having a problem.
    maybe you should talk to the DPS forum and see what your doing wrong.

    You think you KAWAII huh? And yes very defensive about my BARD..
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  8. #38
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    LunarEmerald's Avatar
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    Lunar Emerald
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoctorPepper View Post
    Not sure that I agree with this statement, Foe Requiem for example should be used often if you have some good mages in the party. Also, in longer fights Paeon and occasionally ballad become a requirement pretty much. I think most good bards spend more then 10% of a fight with songs up. I would agree that you spend most of your time using dps abilities but I think the primary role is to provide support as well, I'm sure when the level cap is increased and there are more songs available bard will become even more of a support role.
    No. Absolutely not. Turn 8 is the only fight in the game where you absolutely have to be singing ballad or paeon. Ballad is usually used when a healer dies or can't manage their MP well. Outside of Turn 8, good healers almost never need ballad.
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  9. #39
    Player KingAhmoseTheFirst's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunarEmerald View Post
    No. Absolutely not. Turn 8 is the only fight in the game where you absolutely have to be singing ballad or paeon. Ballad is usually used when a healer dies or can't manage their MP well. Outside of Turn 8, good healers almost never need ballad.
    Agreed... Our SCH runs Selene also so it is a must to keep our Melee DPS and Tanks TP up...
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    Turn 8 is also the only battle where you should ever need paeon. All other fights have short breaks in between that gives your TP time to recover.
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