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[Mysteltain]

There wasn't, the same with Titan HM. Even with DL and Hoplite Gear, you were able to solo tank Titan without swapping during the table flips. It's basically a standard 8-man party composition. I'm glad they did this, actually.

Oh, I fully understand that. What I'm getting at is that they're forcing us into this 1/2/5 party structure for Syrcus Tower, whereas Titan HM was decided on by the community at large--his DF composition still requires the 2/2/4 setup, but we all know that you only need one tank for the fight. I'm honestly glad they did this, too, especially for the sake of DPS queues.

[Edli]

What interests me is that the Syrcus Tower has its DF composition listed as 1 tank, 2 healers, 5 DPS. Hm... Looks like SE heard our pleas for more DPS openings. And now that I think about it, there was never any need for more than one tank in Crystal Tower, as well.

5 DPS for one tank? I have a feeling tanks will have a harder time now to queue and DPS may be even instant.

[Kyoraki]

5 DPS for one tank? I have a feeling tanks will have a harder time now to queue and DPS may be even instant.

CT in it's current state is a cakewalk for any tank over i70. We'll live.

[Pyreflye]

5 DPS for one tank? I have a feeling tanks will have a harder time now to queue and DPS may be even instant.

Oh woe is you, you might have a 2 minute queue instead of a 2 second one.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

5 DPS for one tank? I have a feeling tanks will have a harder time now to queue and DPS may be even instant.

It will put some pressure on the ONLY TANK. Picture this: A 24-man raid -> 3 tanks -> 21 people left staring at you. I know the new CT will be a cake like the Labyrinth of the Ancients, but keep in mind that we had to deal with awful and very troll players. Good thing, all the tank loot is mine!

Edit: This was an unrelated observation. Quoted for the sake of keeping the conversation about this subject.

[Edli]

It will put some pressure on the ONLY TANK. Picture this: A 24-man raid -> 3 tanks -> 21 people left staring at you..

I love it. Tanks are attention whores and like to be in the center of attention, mostly. The more staring at my behind the merrier.

Dungeons on this game should have been designed around 1/1/3 dps from the start IMO to fix the long queue for DPS. They introduced 3 new dungeons and they still have 1/1/2.

[Jasiwel]

I love it. Tanks are attention whores and like to be in the center of attention, mostly. The more staring at my behind the merrier.

Dungeons on this game should have been designed around 1/1/3 dps from the start IMO to fix the long queue for DPS. They introduced 3 new dungeons and they still have 1/1/2.

I'm just throwing feedback here. The 2/2/4 ratio in higher trials/raids is definitely more suitable given how many DPS exist later in the game. The problem is simply that the DPS class is so attractive for many players, not that the normal queues have too few slots for DPS. Aside from a few dungeons, who gets blamed particularly for losing? Usually the Healer or Tank. Who wants to typically be in those kinds of crosshairs? Not nearly as many as those who only have to be responsible for themselves. I think SE botched a good chance to add a Tank/Healer class in. I'm also a DPS person, so I'm saying this out of my being a DPS person.

[Sapphic]

It will put some pressure on the ONLY TANK. Picture this: A 24-man raid -> 3 tanks -> 21 people left staring at you. I know the new CT will be a cake like the Labyrinth of the Ancients, but keep in mind that we had to deal with awful and very troll players. Good thing, all the tank loot is mine!

Edit: This was an unrelated observation. Quoted for the sake of keeping the conversation about this subject.

Well, look how much 6 tanks where needed in CT1 either clicking towers or just hitting things. CT1 was doable with 3 tanks.

[Archadius]

5 DPS for one tank? I have a feeling tanks will have a harder time now to queue and DPS may be even instant.

Good. I'm sick of queuing for an hour only to be presented with a tank in spiritbond gear, or one who opens with "please vote kick me after the second boss or I'll just AFK" instead of "hello".

[Ninix]

5 DPS for one tank? I have a feeling tanks will have a harder time now to queue and DPS may be even instant.

They'll live.