Do NOT make the same mistake as FFXI.

[Viridiana]

the two required classes is glad and con. no one else can fill their shoes at all. 1 is the simpler option, being archer.

hmm maybe you could get away with some thaums for healing, but in that role i would say 1 con is worth about two thaum, so youd need 3 to 4 thm to handle the 2 con.

archer is just a DD, it isnt required, but its got the easiest job dodging aoe, and a little bit more dmg (before, now maybe not, need new parses but probably still is)

Odd. . . I was just tanking on my PGL the other day. You sure GLA is required?

[Physic]

Odd. . . I was just tanking on my PGL the other day. You sure GLA is required?

k, nothing is required, its just highly reccomended. I mean i could tank things on my monk back in ffxi days, its just most people wouldnt let me because it made their jobs a lot harder.

I think yall guys get caught up in the hype of i am awesome, and miss the point. Its easiest to succeed with certain setups, once people know that, they start to try to make the setups. I see you have a lot of pride in your ability to do something on pug, but most people will simply go, thats nice, but why would i do that if its not easier, and a higher chance of success.

sure if you got some balls to the walls crews, or all the glas have died, people may tell you to tank the whole dungeon on your pug, but your still a 2nd string player.

[Murugan]

k, nothing is required, its just highly reccomended. I mean i could tank things on my monk back in ffxi days, its just most people wouldnt let me because it made their jobs a lot harder.

I think yall guys get caught up in the hype of i am awesome, and miss the point. Its easiest to succeed with certain setups, once people know that, they start to try to make the setups. I see you have a lot of pride in your ability to do something on pug, but most people will simply go, thats nice, but why would i do that if its not easier, and a higher chance of success.

sure if you got some balls to the walls crews, or all the glas have died, people may tell you to tank the whole dungeon on your pug, but your still a 2nd string player.

Wow you are so incredibly wrong it is insulting.

GLA does not equate to Ninja or Paladin from XI in how necessary it is for any fight currently in game
Pugilist and MRD do not equate to Monk and Warrior from XI in terms of their tanking ability. At least currently they are pretty much on par with GLA, and better in terms of enmity generation while just slightly worse in terms of survivability.

Second string player... please.

[Physic]

Wow you are so incredibly wrong it is insulting.

GLA does not equate to Ninja or Paladin from XI in how necessary it is for any fight currently in game
Pugilist and MRD do not equate to Monk and Warrior from XI in terms of their tanking ability. At least currently they are pretty much on par with GLA, and better in terms of enmity generation while just slightly worse in terms of survivability.

Second string player... please.

once again your pug pride is clouding your vision. being a second string player doesnt mean you are garbage, it means they have someone who can do your job better. thats why you are second string.

Pug can tank, but gladiatory takes less dmg consistently. Most mages would rather have someone who cosistently takes less dmg, than someone who spikes thier dmg reduction, because it is easier to predict, deal with, and avoid hate. Its harder for them to use thier mana effeciently when they dont know if i will take dmg for 30 seconds, then get spiked for a big hit.

I am a pug, i enjoy pug, but the fact is pug is not gladiator, it has a different optimal use, and different advantages, and those advantages do not make it easier to beat the dungeon.

This is not about pugilist pride, or believing pug can do things, its about the fact that pug is not in general as easy a tank to deal with, for yourself thats fine, but for the mp pools, and the hecticness of random dodging, most healers are going to prefer the slow steady nature of a glad tank over the evasion centric pugilist. and ill be honest with you the truth is, the only advantage pug even has on evasion over a gla is for 8 seconds out of every 30, and a shorter featherfoot cooldown, because gla has access to the same evasion gear that pugilist uses, and thats where pug evasion comes from. sooo thanks to our cooldown nerf, i think you are living in a fantasy world. im sure our 8 seconds of boosted evasion, doesnt beat out extra defense from sheilds, skills, and a high chance to block regular attacks.

Just because most gladiators stats are vit heavy, and they CHOOSE to use thier dmg reduction gear dont forget they can still choose to play it like pug in a +3 toad harness, and evasion heavy gear, and put thier stats into mostly str and dex, and they ll still have a shield.