Do NOT make the same mistake as FFXI.

[tragic]

@Zaviermhigo

I understand your frustrations. I main THM as well and I have had the most fun I have ever had on THM in the past 3 days. I do feel like I got shafted in some ways but I also feel like I got heavily buffed in others. I still have yet to crack on the nut on enfeebling as THM post 1.18. I am looking forward to this learning experience. However, it it ends up that I really cant choose to enfeeble very well as thm with the current state of the game I am going to be upset as well.

[SilvertearRen]

I hope they will release 1.19 in the middle of August. We will be able to see 1.18's changes in its full context once that happens, so we can see if the Jobs really do make a difference or not.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

I hope they will release 1.19 in the middle of August. We will be able to see 1.18's changes in its full context once that happens, so we can see if the Jobs really do make a difference or not.

If they don't measure up by at least 1.20 I'm not sure how I'll feel about it all. inb4 'here's the door', as a player of the game who has stuck around since CB and OB, I have a right to be justifiably let down and upset over the direction this game is headed. :/

Jobs should be an alternate way of playing, or an enhanced way of fighting. What this patch has done is the opposite of that. It's forced Conjurers into the WHM position, taking away any flexibility the game had prior to the patch to alternating that job with the Thaus.

I think people forget that there's a disproportionate amount of Melee classes to mage classes. I'd love to see one of the melee classes' have something like incapacitation or BR's taken away from them in the future and blindly given to one class.
Either people are completely lacking in empathy, or they have no idea what they're talking about and just foster misconceptions about why this patch is such a big deal to mages.

[kukurumei]

I lack any empathy for jobs that were soloing NMs and crying over things they shouldn't be doing anyway.

[Gramul]

I expect a lot of this frustration with "pigeonholing classes" to be cleared up with the job system implementation.

Hopefully.

[Tezz_Xivectro]

The all time greatest FF11 mistake:

"STOP ATTACKING, YOU'RE FEEDING THE MOB TOO MUCH TP!"

^ - this is the one true mistake that will cause me to seriously not play. I tolerate it enough in FF11, and won't endure that torture again. As long as the game doesn't turn into "stand around and wait" then i'll be good.

[Shai]

The all time greatest FF11 mistake:

"STOP ATTACKING, YOU'RE FEEDING THE MOB TOO MUCH TP!"

^ - this is the one true mistake that will cause me to seriously not play. I tolerate it enough in FF11, and won't endure that torture again. As long as the game doesn't turn into "stand around and wait" then i'll be good.

But you're 100% cool with the fact that is how CON are expected to play now?
I mean you didn't say you are, I'm asking if you are.

Lots of people seem to think it's "no big deal" that I spend 1/3 of the fight or more standing around waiting while other people do shit. That it's a warranted and expected aspect of being a mage - trust me when I tell you, it's just as much "not fun" as that stop feeding it TP shit. I was there in XI with you, man. (Not literally).

[Oscillate_Wildly]

But you're 100% cool with the fact that is how CON are expected to play now?
I mean you didn't say you are, I'm asking if you are.

Lots of people seem to think it's "no big deal" that I spend 1/3 of the fight or more standing around waiting while other people do shit. That it's a warranted and expected aspect of being a mage - trust me when I tell you, it's just as much "not fun" as that stop feeding it TP shit. I was there in XI with you, man. (Not literally).

Well said, both of you. Really I hadn't thought about the 'stand around and wait for the tank to get hate back' like in XI. Warriors doing too much damage and having to stop swinging their axe, black mages being limited to one or two spells per fight, the horror.

[Mortikhan]

Just said all of this yesterday to my LS. This MP issue is not going to affect mages at all. Mage classes will always get parties and more often now. People will shoot for high MP load parties for guaranteed success now. Will be 6 mage classes (4 conj 2 Thaum) and 2 Glads. Even archers will get left at home eventually if the tanks have real trouble with high end spike damage. Two conjs will heal while the other two spam Conj DoTs and hit with elemental spells as their buffs pop up, minimizing hate control issues. The two thaums will spam Dia, Bio, Poison, Slow, Paralyze etc. or one will assist the tanks with Initiation and the Siphon attribute spells to help the tanks and throw in a Sac 3 here and there to let the Conj healers get some rest or mana burn in emergencies. They can also raise people if someone drops without a conj healer missing a beat.

Either way it looks pretty grim for DD classes unless they really restrain themselves. Big numbers will be bad news for DD classes.

[Gukster]

A playstyle can be new and still unique. The order of moves you use, how fast you use them, when you throw in your Chameleon, or whatever the case is, however if you enjoying using AoE's constantly I would hope you won't use AoE's when their's 5 mobs close by because it's your playstyle. I haven't been playing long so I guess my old system playstyle wasn't uberly affected after this patch and I haven't fought the Ogre yet, but changing your playstyle doesn't strip you of individuality it's how you change it to get the job done when needed that shows part of your individuality. Linkshells will probably start easin' up on class specifics once they've figured out everything there is that can go wrong and what they could do to mitigate those. You go off of things you know to learn. Eventually, they'll slip a little MRD Lalafell in there with 2 ARC's 1 THM 1 CON 2 GLA. THM's probably gonna have to Back-up heal to make sure the poor little guy stays alive. It just shows how the people begging for strategy don't take risks that help build a LS. Just my two cents though, too early for me to make this organized; To Subway~