Hate Control (about tanking and stuff)

[Brainriot]

WTF.

I mean, seriously. WTF.

I know it is still possible to be a good tank if you spam the shit out of everything and cure yourself, having Intimidation (and ordering everyone to have Out of Sight lololol) and all, but was it really meant to be like that? I mean, will all GLAs be forced to learn cures (and everyone else play ARC to 20 to get the trait) and play Paladins to improve their tanking skills, aside from using the slots for other class-specific abilities and letting healers do their actual jobs? Where's the casual play on that? And if we are to be paladins, the hell, pop the paladin job already!

During raids I had this feeling that War Drum and Warmonger became almost useless. AND OMG, WHY TAKING HATE GEN OFF FROM SENTINEL?!? ; -;
Being the first on sight (for getting aggro) seems to be more effective for inicial hate than War Drum or a Provoke (specially if someone has already been targeted first). lol. And at fights where the mob is already down to 2/3, its almost impossible to get hate to you unless you spam all kind of shit and then cry for the cooldowns if you gotta fight another one right away.

As I said, tanking is possible, yes, but its hell complicated now. On NMs you need like 2-3 rounds of spamming vokes to make sure no mage will get hate with a random Cure, or DDs with WS... Phalanx seems to be like the master of hate generation now, but if you don't have the chance to use it (like, Idk, fighting that badass ogre in the 50 raid that doesnt do normal attacks? lol), you gotta dance your ass off and the rest of the party needs to pay full attention on the hate monitorsand play robot-harcore style.

I ask again, was it really meant to be like this?
I know that we should considering more balancing are on the way, but overnerfing stuff like this... it's just sad. As someone said, feels like they rushed for the changes and maybe changed a bit too much or something. lol

At r30ish raid, I tanked the boss (and adds) 90% of the fight as LNC cuz the GLA of the party, even spamming all kind of stuff, couldn't take hate off me. And I swear, I wasn't doing anything much except normal attacks and a few WSs.

Poor mages and gladiators. And also marauders who got sad panda faces with no meaning for their lives.

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[Brainriot]

yay for double post.

[Destain]

I know where you guys are coming from. I spent last night testing out enmity. I have to say I think that someone playing straight glad will not have any luck trying to hold hate on difficult mobs. I had my con buddy go all out while I did my best to hold hate. If your having a hard time and have multiple jobs ranked up, all I can do is make a couple of suggestions to try and tide you over until they begin balancing updates.

-phalanx II
-provoke II
-taunt II
-disorient II
-intimidation (trait)
-second wind II (or your preferred self cure method, just chose second wind as the most common because it takes no MP and no longer takes 3/4 and action bar)
With staggered use of the above abilities I was able to find a comfortable grasp on emnity. It seemed to me when I spammed multiple enmity abilities back to back it was wasted. So I would recommend 7-15 seconds between enmity abilities. Until the rebalancing I would also recommend not trying any dungeons/nm's for rank 50's without a gladiator with all the above abilities... Warmonger and war drum also help. I agree that it is pretty lame someone that leveled straight gladiator is now more than likely an ineffective tank. Also it would be helpful to party with DD's capable of or willing to pull their punches and or off tank when appropriate (I'm talking to pug and MRD)

As usual this is just my perception. My intention is not to criticize anyone's ability, strategy, or opinion. Full disclosure; I have yet to succeed at the 45 dungeon myself. (luckily, with the exception of the first attempt, the issue has not been enmity)

[TirionCrey]

OH MY GOD, I HAVE TO USE MORE THAN 2 SKILLS NOW?

Look how many likes you got and figure out the rest for yourself.

[Viridiana]

As I posted in one of the other threads complaining about this, I haven't had issues getting hate on anything that mattered except for the first few fights I was in (yay learning experiences!)

Light Strike
Taunt II
Pummel
Flurry
Featherfoot II
Jarring Strike II
Barrage
Foresight
Rampart
Obsess
War Drum
Second Wind II

Think those were the only skills I was using, and even the ARC in my party said he was having no issues with hate. Don't think the mages were having issues, either, but I didn't ask.

[Irana]

OH MY GOD, I HAVE TO USE MORE THAN 2 SKILLS NOW?

Look how many likes you got and figure out the rest for yourself.

"facepalm"

Theres a difference between tanking like no tomorrow and ahving a mage in your party cast cure 3 and all fo a sudden the mob you were keeping hate on decides to eat the poor lil con for dinner.

Really its REALLY hard to keep hate on some mobs.

[GreyJorildyn]

Accomplice the healer.

What I have my party do is tell me on teamspeak if they are in orangs or red and begin a mental queue for accomplice, starting with the highest threshold and working my way through the list, adjusting as needed. In this case, hate others are generating becomes a signficant boost to your own rather than a roadblock. Seriously, get accomplice; you will never regret it.

Also, if you don't yet have accomplice, save your taunt for when it is needed. It will bring the mob back to you and provide a small window to stabilize. Don't just spam it for the sake of its enmity gain. When you have solidified your hate, then spam away, but use it strategically 'til then.

[Galka75]

Use shields of 99% block. Buy self-preservation and use phalanx II. This will help you to hold enmity as long you will be nice DMG and still gaining extra enmity of the ability. Good to buy too intimidation from MRD guild. And use provokes always u have it cooled and remain shield up always.

So. At the end. U will do decent dmg ( gaining enmity ). Cure ur self whit second wind and bloodbath ( forgot the name of mrd ability) this wilm grant u enmity as well. Rise ur shield always whit the biggest one to mitigate DMG ( prevrntng to loose enmity). And that's all. If you find to much to do. Change class. Or make you a set up to DD and say ur party you don't know how to tank propely and u play as DD better as an off-tank.

R3 Can i have it?

[MonChichi]

What I do is:

Outmaneuver: Use before engage, to get me some quick TP
Provoke: Start with it, do it once cool off
Heavy Slash, Heavy Stab: Spam once they cool off
Phalanx II: Use everytime i blocked the attack, but yes, doesn't seems to work on orge
Disorient II: Fill in when slash/stab is on CD.
Taunt II: Kinda saving it when the mob seems to move away.

Thats kinda my "normal cycle" of building hate, kinda gave up on Sentinel cuz i always have something else to do to build hate. However, i also do this:

Second Wind II: once i have TP and get hit
Cure III: when Second wind is on CD. I can only use it for 4 times due to crazy MP cost. Too busy to use steal MP skills.
Accomplice** :Kinda a big different maker especially to mages. Use it on my main healer once it cools off.

Well, I can build up some hate. But, once my hp goes down after the first min or so(i'll have low mp left). The main healer gotta stop healing after 3-4 Cure due to hate problem. Other healers will pick it up.... but if there's a crazy big hit from the mob, the main healer might have to decide to cast a clinical heal on me. BOOM... good luck!

Not trying to troll the game design or whoever... but... I think some works gotta be done to make it a "balanced battle system"

[Viridiana]

What I do is:

Outmaneuver: Use before engage, to get me some quick TP
Provoke: Start with it, do it once cool off
Heavy Slash, Heavy Stab: Spam once they cool off
Phalanx II: Use everytime i blocked the attack, but yes, doesn't seems to work on orge
Disorient II: Fill in when slash/stab is on CD.
Taunt II: Kinda saving it when the mob seems to move away.

Thats kinda my "normal cycle" of building hate, kinda gave up on Sentinel cuz i always have something else to do to build hate. However, i also do this:

Second Wind II: once i have TP and get hit
Cure III: when Second wind is on CD. I can only use it for 4 times due to crazy MP cost. Too busy to use steal MP skills.
Accomplice** :Kinda a big different maker especially to mages. Use it on my main healer once it cools off.

Well, I can build up some hate. But, once my hp goes down after the first min or so(i'll have low mp left). The main healer gotta stop healing after 3-4 Cure due to hate problem. Other healers will pick it up.... but if there's a crazy big hit from the mob, the main healer might have to decide to cast a clinical heal on me. BOOM... good luck!

Not trying to troll the game design or whoever... but... I think some works gotta be done to make it a "balanced battle system"

I'm not really seeing any TP moves on that list aside from Phalanx and Second Wind. If you have access to Barrage, that's some nice aggro+damage. . .