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  1. #11
    Player
    rappa's Avatar
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    Pande Monium
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 60
    A bard doing 220 dps in turn8? He is afk or something?

    Has he got the accuracy capped? use food and potions?

    Has he to manage towers, mines, brainjack?

    Maybe he is abusing for Army Paeon/manasong or playing long time.

    A trick for bards is use army paeon a few secs, just the exactly moment to do dps and don't be out of tp and the invigorate is up again. One mistake is play Paeon until you get 1000 tp and your invigorate skill is not used
    In T8, usually i use Invigorate before the first dreadnough of just after kill him. Depends the procs from straight shot, more procs = more tp used by straight shot.
    The second time is before or after the second dread. In this moment, your melees will be out of tp or near, so you can use the song in the same moment the tower spawns and stop playing it when the dread shows up. You will recover around 300 tp and using invigorate you get 400 more, enough to finish the combat with more any tp problem.

    The other problem are your healers. They can't oom before the allagan field phase, the bard play one time in all combat manasong is the exactly the moment aoe's towers and allagan field is punishing your raid
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  2. #12
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    Azul Earendil
    World
    Shiva
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 70
    You should be on a Overall of >300 on all DPS to avoid enrage...

    Our DRG does about 350, not quite Loot Lucky
    As i101 BLM i do about 330, next one with 103 does 340...

    We do a 1 Tank strategy, my group cleared it on Mondays in a night session where i was asleep already, but they did it with 1-2 deaths...

    i would say (math aside) - if you dont do an average of 300+ dps, this wont work for you...

    220 as bard is not acceptable on this stage of content...*

    *even with paeon - thats 20%... coming back to maths, you expect him around 330 dps, that one will drop to 270 IF HE WOULD PLAY IT THE WHOLE TIME...
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    Last edited by wicked-one; 07-02-2014 at 03:36 PM.
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  3. #13
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    Ooshima's Avatar
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    Rui Ooshima
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    Everyone is under performing even with i95 weapons.

    Your MNK with i100 should be 380 at least, assuming that your MNK have no duty which is most of the case (at most eat some mines or emergency tower activation if the original guy assigned has Allagan Field)

    DRG with i100 under 300 is pretty much... IDK. At least 50 DPS too low. Your DRG should be comfortably be at 340-350 with some duties, such as homing/brainjack/eating mines.

    BRD @ 220 is just LOL. My previous raid WAR who plays BRD in T8 and he haven't been playing BRD since ages so he's pretty much in shitty gear (not full i90) with a Zenith weapon deals about 250-260. Assuming your BRD is properly geared with i95 weapon he should be doing 310-320 range.

    Same goes to your SMN. With i95 the average SMN dude should be able to get 330 or so.
    Quoting since you seem to have a duplicate
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  4. #14
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    Sapphic's Avatar
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
    The boss has 999,994 hit points. Assuming your DPS is low you will have 4 dreads each at 30k a piece. That's a total of 1119994HP that must be down in exactly 11 minutes. That's 1697 group DPS required to win.

    This turn is awesome since it's so easy to run the math on.
    Well after the deefnsive towers pop their AE raid damage is none, so one healer can focus the tank for a while for the SCH to drop into cleric stance and throw some dots on Avatar, pop an int pot before dotting to help push a bit more DPS out. Get everyone stocked up on potent poisons also and spam on the boss everytime they are off cooldown to squeeze even more DPS. Party should be stacked close enough to use them.
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    Last edited by Sapphic; 07-02-2014 at 04:58 PM.

  5. #15
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    Austen Bloodspatter
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    Omega
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 80
    Potent poisons is like 1dps, over the course of the fight...that's not gonna help them win the fight
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  6. #16
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    Sapphic's Avatar
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Radacci View Post
    Potent poisons is like 1dps, over the course of the fight...that's not gonna help them win the fight
    8 if all are using :P As they borderline every point counts
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  7. #17
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    Sakura Ephemera
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 60
    The below numbers are from my own group + ACT parses I've seen on forums. The ilvl listed is just the ilvl of the weapon, not all gear combined.

    With ~ilvl100 weapon MNK should be 380-400; ilvl110 weapon should be 400+
    DRG ilvl100 340-360; ilvl110 380+
    BRD 340-360 (my best when I had ilvl100 weapon was 358 with 3 paeons used throughout the fight); ilvl110 380-390+ depending on songs
    SMN I'm not sure.

    Your MNK and DRG are not 'terrible,' but they are still somewhat low. Are they hitting towers or something? BRD is ridiculously low. No reason BRD should be below 300. Make sure they are popping their CDs whenever they are up (except Blood for Blood in certain situations).
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  8. #18
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    Empressia's Avatar
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    Carnage Incarnate
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    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by RegnumMagik View Post
    What's the reasonable amount of DPS for all DD classes in t8?

    Currently, we're hitting phase 3 at 7 min and 30 seconds and I was told that's not good enough to kill it within enrage.

    Our MNK was able to shine the best at 340+
    DRG barely hits 290, same for both of our SMN.
    Our BRD however only hits around 220.
    Keep in mind everyone has i100 weapon, except one of the SMN and BRD (i95)

    Herp derp I post on the wrong forum, GM please remove this if possible.
    MNK with i100 wep should pull at least 350
    DRG with i100 should pull at least 330
    SUM dps always on par with MNK or at the very least on par with DRG
    BRD with i95 wep should pull at least 250

    which means :
    1. tell ur dps to L2P PROPERLY, keep in mind u need 490+ acc for DPS
    2. re assign ur towers assignments, might as well leave MNK and DRG from LM duties and give both to SMNs
    3. tell ur static not to be a MISER CHEAPSKATE and buy HQ FOODS + X POT HQs
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  9. #19
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    Rui Ooshima
    World
    Tonberry
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Empressia View Post
    BRD with i95 wep should pull at least 250
    At least 300 with songs playing you mean.

    250 is just, IDK. Back in 2.1 when decked in full i90 and i90 primal ex weapon I'm already pulling 300 on Titan EX.
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  10. #20
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    Soveia Shadowsong
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    You need a combined DPS of around 1750 to be able to clear it, and that is going to get close. We do it with two tanks, though, it makes mines much easier to handle.
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