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    Player
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    Kizuna Astin
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    As PLD, I use it when I know it will not hurt my TP. (if I have more than 350 TP I will fit facture in my rotation.) most of the late game Boss have some type of down time between phase. (from Main Tank PoV)
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    Fudo Myoo
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Remn View Post
    As PLD, I use it when I know it will not hurt my TP. (if I have more than 350 TP I will fit facture in my rotation.) most of the late game Boss have some type of down time between phase. (from Main Tank PoV)
    As a PLD you should be shield swiping... well period... but especially if you are going to use fracture to maintain TP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acala View Post
    As a PLD you should be shield swiping... well period... but especially if you are going to use fracture to maintain TP.
    I use both Shield swipe and Facture (if I have TP) also I am NOT use facture to maintain TP. Facture will burn your TP, not for Maintain Purpose.
    I use Swipe when it up and doing Facture for every 3rd or 4th RoH rotation. (provide that I have enough hate on the mob)

    my way of thinking is if I know I will have a down time during the boss fight, then I will fit facture into my rotation and get my TP to around 200-400 (depend on fight) before the down time. By the time the fight resume most of my TP would regen back.

    easy example would be T8, by the time Brain jak start, my TP usually around 150 (with Facture and Swipe in my rotation.) after I got Brain jak, I will have 10 sec for TP regen. (usually give me 500-600 TP back)

    it mostly come down to knowing the fight and manage the correct amount of TP. (for me I try to maintain my TP around 400.)
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    Last edited by Remn; 07-03-2014 at 06:53 AM.

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    Jotun Lamora
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    Famfrit
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    Would it be worth it if you take the crit rate bonus that 5 stacks of Wrath give you? I usually try throwing it on just before Berserk or Unchained expire if I don't have a combo ready. A buffed 300 total potency attack seems worth it in those situations.
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    Blanitar Abarhyrsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeDono View Post
    Would it be worth it if you take the crit rate bonus that 5 stacks of Wrath give you? I usually try throwing it on just before Berserk or Unchained expire if I don't have a combo ready. A buffed 300 total potency attack seems worth it in those situations.
    Two things about DOTS.

    1) DOTS in this game snapshot, therefore if you have berserk and unchained up when you apply the DOT even if the buffs fall off, the dot will still tick for the increased potency.

    2) DOTS can crit (for those of you who don't believe this take a look at bards. One of their cooldowns is based off of dot crits).

    Based on these two bits of information its always better (if you can manage it) to apply fracture when your cooldowns are up. Also Internal Release + Wrath Stacks can increase the probability that you will get a crit but they don't increase the damage directly.
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    I'm not as familiar with Paladin, but isn't Shield Swipe a net tp gain when used?
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    Kitru Kitera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabian View Post
    I'm not as familiar with Paladin, but isn't Shield Swipe a net tp gain when used?
    Yes. Shield Swipe costs 40 TP to use and natural regeneration is 50 TP/GCD (60 TP per tick and ticks occur every 3 seconds; 60 / 3 * 2.5 = 50) so it's a net gain of 10 TP. The problem with Shield Swipe, of course, is that it requires you to block first (which means it's worthless on magic heavy fights since you can't block magic), has a very limited time frame of use (you get something like 6 seconds), and isn't high enmity (so you have to wait until you've already been wailing on a target for a while).

    If you want to maximize your damage as a PLD, you should be using Shield Swipe anyways since it *is* a minute increase to raw pot/GCD (it's 210 per GCD while RoH is 203.33). It's just hard to model because you have to block.
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    Abyss King
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 60
    So fun to put Fracture on a last Boss and because of it and other DoTs.. you saved the day when your party has wiped and things turned ugly.

    It's not part of my 'rotations', but I will use it whenever I feel like it without compromizing the rest and making sure I have aggro.

    Perhaps with lvl cap and new skills, if only it will be cross-classed, we could trade it, but between Raise that you can't use and Skull Sunder.. for PLD, it's in my arsenal.
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    Community Rep Camate's Avatar
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    Greetings,

    As of right now we do not have any plans to change the TP cost of Fracture.
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    Kitru Kitera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camate View Post
    As of right now we do not have any plans to change the TP cost of Fracture.
    It's not so much the cost, but what Fracture actually does. It doesn't do enough damage to justify being used, which is the problem. The high cost just gives an ability that there isn't a good reason to use another reason to not use it.

    The TP cost can be left alone. It's the effects that need to be buffed.

    Also, it's nice to see that the community team actually cares about the number-crunchy places in the forums. Too often I've seen the community team just ignore us.
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    Last edited by Kitru; 07-04-2014 at 04:17 AM.

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