Possible Paladin Rework...

[Sove92]

Bring war drum back and drop Circle of Scorn or some other similar silly skill (cover is also silly.)

How are they silly? Circle of Scorn is a 250 total potency move over all nearby enemies, off the GCD with a short CD. Cover may be the least used PLD skill, but there are times you can't keep hate on everything, pop Cover on the player being attacked.

War Drum 1.0:
Delivers a melee attack with your shield to nearby enemies. Generates massive enmity. Can only be used immediately after blocking an attack.
TP: 500 / Recast Time: 60sec

No one would ever use this skill for such an obscenely high TP cost.

War Drum 2.0:
Delivers a melee attack with your shield to nearby enemies with a potency of 100 (or 120 if not massive enmity)
Can only be used immediately after blocking an attack.
Addtional Effect: Increased massive enmity.
Can only be used immediately after blocking an attack.
TP: 130
Recast (on the global cooldown.)

You are only gonna use the first version once, the total amount of CoS you'd use on pulls would exceed the hate this skill does. The 120 potency one without hate modifier is even worse, being far weaker than CoS and even dares to cost TP.

[TheodoreMcIntyre]

How are they silly? Circle of Scorn is a 250 total potency move over all nearby enemies, off the GCD with a short CD. Cover may be the least used PLD skill, but there are times you can't keep hate on everything, pop Cover on the player being attacked.

No one would ever use this skill for such an obscenely high TP cost.

You are only gonna use the first version once, the total amount of CoS you'd use on pulls would exceed the hate this skill does. The 120 potency one without hate modifier is even worse, being far weaker than CoS and even dares to cost TP.

War Drum 1.0 was an actual skill from 1.0

[Daniolaut]

How are they silly? Circle of Scorn is a 250 total potency move over all nearby enemies, off the GCD with a short CD. Cover may be the least used PLD skill, but there are times you can't keep hate on everything, pop Cover on the player being attacked.

No one would ever use this skill for such an obscenely high TP cost.

War Drum 1.0 was an actual skill from 1.0

What TheodoreMeIntyre said.

You are only gonna use the first version once, the total amount of CoS you'd use on pulls would exceed the hate this skill does. The 120 potency one without hate modifier is even worse, being far weaker than CoS and even dares to cost TP.

The "2.0 version" i suggested requires the Job PLD to have blocked an attack to be able to use it, which would work in conjunction with flash and bulwark (which flash adds blind, and bulwark increases block rate chance) thus leading to more War Drum procs.

(AKA, making paladin much more fun without being too much like Warrior, and having the skills work more inconjuction. I also would like to keep shield swipe but have it off the global cooldown. If i can have both shield swipe and war drum i'd like to keep CoS, Cover and drop shield swipe for war drum.)

When War Drum is proc'ed youre given the opportunity to generate,

either:

1. Massive threat
or
2. 120 potency of damage+regular enmity gain

(Basically trying to give SE options so they cant simply say "this isnt a skill that would fit in the balance with ARR" when the second option is literally a skill exactly like overpower but needed to proc after blocking an attack. )

Thus making War Drum feel different from Overpower but work exactly like it. So to say Circle of Scorn is better than overpower (since you said CoS>War Drum) is quite very inaccurate.

(I think you might have misunderstood my request. The war drum would either do 100 potency damage but generate more enmity than say flash, or would deal more damage [equal to overpower] with a general enmity gain if the "massive enmity gain" is too "powerful." I personally would like it to deal 100 potency damage with a greater enmity gain so it doesnt feel too much like overpower.)

[SwordCoheir]

I would just be happy if they swapped the levels at which you get Shield Oath and Sword Oath because really the way they did it doesn't make any sense at all.

I agree, that gap in the mid levels becomes kind of hard for PLD to keep hate because that's roughly the time DPS start getting their 2nd or 3rd damage traits/abilities, and without Shield Oath our hate output doesn't scale really well till 45+ when we finally get our only Non-GCD DPS abilities Spirits/Circle. Anyways, tbh I wish Sword Oath was a GLD skill instead of PLD, at least that would make GLD a much better DPS in comparison to PLD similiar to how MRD generally stomps on WAR DPS.

[Asierid]

Shield Bash and Shield Swipe - Off of GCD. Give both a minor cooldown (8-15 secs?). I would rather they have a cooldown and fights retain a smooth feel than have to choose between cancelling my combo. It forces unnecessary prioritization over our loan combo.

Won't happen with Bash. Only reason WAR has theirs off GCD is due to the cooldown and lack of other interrupts (No. You don't blow holmgang for an interrupt, that's just bad). PLD would have to get a cooldown on theirs in order to make it even remotely balanced (Specially with Spirits have a silence, and swipe having pacify). I believe they actually mentioned this back when WAR was being fixed in 2.1, course I may be wrong on the timing, but I do remember that being brought up somewhere.

[subteraneanbird]

War Drum 1.0 was an actual skill from 1.0

That doesn't mean it's a good skill, or one people would use in this entirely different game. Especially if we are losing actual good skills like Circle of Scorn.

[Blitzace]

tbh, i love PLD over WAR, but war have so many more options and imo is better in most cases(And in daily dungeons/roulette its a no brainer)

[Daniolaut]

Thank you SE for possibly making Paladin probably actually versatile and fun during AoE tanking.

Class/Job......Action/Trait.......Adjustment

Gladiator......Flash................The amount of enmity generated has been increased.

Gladiator......Circle of Scorn...Now generates increased enmity.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...0482c3e441d852

(No sarcasm, I am very excited for the patch and excited to how versatile i can be while tanking multiple mobs as Paladin. I absolutely hated spamming flash over and over and over and over.)

[RadRyder]

Circle of Scorn now having increased enmity? Huh, maybe it'll finally be worthy of its name.

[FallenWings]

Thank you SE for possibly making Paladin probably actually versatile and fun during AoE tanking.


http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...0482c3e441d852

(No sarcasm, I am very excited for the patch and excited to how versatile i can be while tanking multiple mobs as Paladin. I absolutely hated spamming flash over and over and over and over.)

I'm sorry to say that you really won't be tanking a group of mobs any differently than you were before. It'll just be easier to do so the same way as always. Which is flash spam and circle of scorn here and there. If anything, the new Circle of Scorn buff would make ST aggro much, much better.