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  1. #11
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    Exstal's Avatar
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    explained here

    Still unable to find the part about the gunner class though >< Still searching.

    Support though would be possible if the team goes to 5 men (raid being either 9 or 10), with a few tweaks to adapt previous content
    I'm not understanding why they would want to make DPS queues even worse than they currently are. Depending on what they equate to "support" you'd also have the lack of "appeal => small number of players" issue, which in turn would basically hold parties and raids hostage to the whims of "support". Again. It's disappointing to see that SE has not learned from the messes in FFXI.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duelle View Post
    I'm not understanding why they would want to make DPS queues even worse than they currently are. Depending on what they equate to "support" you'd also have the lack of "appeal => small number of players" issue, which in turn would basically hold parties and raids hostage to the whims of "support". Again. It's disappointing to see that SE has not learned from the messes in FFXI.
    DPS queues won't be worse if they add DPS classes, the same way that tanks or healers won't magically flow if they add more tank & healer classes. It may be the case for like a few weeks, and then all is back to the pre-adding state. Also, having support classes won't be worse than having tanks imo. still waiting for ages to get them in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    DPS queues won't be worse if they add DPS classes, the same way that tanks or healers won't magically flow if they add more tank & healer classes. It may be the case for like a few weeks, and then all is back to the pre-adding state. Also, having support classes won't be worse than having tanks imo. still waiting for ages to get them in.
    They'd be messing with population spread between 3 roles to 4 roles, on top of that the fact that "support" in general is less-populated due to lack of appeal. That delays groups on two fronts. Firstly because those "support" jobs are taking up spots that could be given to DPS, and secondly because if few people want to play "support" you have groups lacking a role.

    Tanking and healing have always had greater appeal than "support" because the two aforementioned roles have more going on than spam buffs/debuffs. You can rope people in using aesthetics or class concept but then you'd have a considerable burnout rate. As I said, it's easy to see the problems this sort of thing causes (also hence why in the last decade "support" was phased out in favor of giving "support" aspects to tanks, heals and DPS). We have a combat model that works, so why try to reinvent the wheel?
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Yeah, tbh, I don't think adding a whole new class type this late will be good, unless they give more cool options like Musketeer, like something people would really wanna play. Red Mage maybe? Anyway, if they only offer musketeer and make it necessary for support in a dungeon, times will elongate.
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    Depending on how they implement them, support could be very well received. The problem will be in balancing them appropriately to make their skills just an advantage rather than a requirement for groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katchii View Post
    Depending on how they implement them, support could be very well received. The problem will be in balancing them appropriately to make their skills just an advantage rather than a requirement for groups.
    This is the eternal issue "support" brings. If it's not powerful enough then no one will want to use it since a mediocre DPS/tank/heals is simply not an option to most. If its too powerful then you have people at the beck and call of those who play said "support" class. If you design it along the lines of bards it still isn't "support", but rather a DPS with raid cooldowns.

    On top of this we have the issue of the gun class. Some think the gun class will be using gunblades like Cid, Gaius and Nero. If that is the case you'll have a group mad about the fact that it's not a true ranged class (worse yet if they dare call it musketeer). On the other hand if they call it something else you'll have the people that have been asking for musketeer angry since we'd go into an expansion with a Limsa Lominsa guild collecting dust and going unused. It's a tough spot to be in.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Chemist. They probably wouldn't shoot bullets as people but they would more likely mix and throw potions. I also think that the gunner class will be a healer as well. There's a gun class coming out and a healer and a tank coming out.


    Quote Originally Posted by Starrywisdom View Post
    No, it won't.

    To expand: This isn't Star Wars. This is Final Fantasy. FF has a very established 'lore' - there is a grand majority of healers to choose from within the established lore. They would use one of these more mass appeal healers; before doing something stupid like that.
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  9. #19
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    I'm not sure why I didn't address that before, "grand majority of healers". Pretty sure it's only white magic and potions.

    Upon some mild research you have; White Mage, Devout (White Mage +1), Red Mage, Sage (Magic Red Mage), and Alchemist. 2 of which are White Mage, 2 others being weak White Mages and one being a potion user. Grand majority, eh?
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    Last edited by Exstal; 07-29-2014 at 11:53 PM.

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    What? No. Can you imagine the amount of nerd rage produced if the boys have to use their precious guns to....heal people? Just no.
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