1% drop rates... a thought expriment.

[ToffeeCoffee]

Challenge? What does challenge have to do with luck?

A game is a strict set of rules designed to give you a challenge. You beat it by becoming better at it through the understanding of game's mechanisms. From newbie to mastery the progression in small steps is visible to you till you finally beat it. After you killed levi for 10 times or so it's fair to assume you're beaten the challenge the game gave you for that particular fight.

After that, trying to farm some ridiculous 1/800 drop you're not dealing with challenge anymore but with luck. An arbitrary number that doesn't take your skills into account, something you can't get better at no matter what. For me luck goes completely against what a game is. One rewards the one that masters the game and the other rewards in random.

You can always do better after you beat something for the first time, beating it a lot is what leads to mastery. Agreed, yes once you win the battle, the loot dropped is all down to RNG luck. The challenge is in farming it until the desired loot drops; and you roll high enough to win it.
Conversely, all other loot in this game is just handed out freely. In Aion, you were lucky if good loot dropped at all, let alone be something you needed. You could even roll items and trade them to your friends (within a time limit). Should SE bend to the whims of the entitled in this age where a certain % of people don't want to work hard for things? They probably will but I hope they have some rare items for players to pursue, skill based and luck based.

[Hayward]

You can always do better after you beat something for the first time, beating it a lot is what leads to mastery. Agreed, yes once you win the battle, the loot dropped is all down to RNG luck. The challenge is in farming it until the desired loot drops; and you roll high enough to win it.
Conversely, all other loot in this game is just handed out freely. In Aion, you were lucky if good loot dropped at all, let alone be something you needed. You could even roll items and trade them to your friends (within a time limit). Should SE bend to the whims of the entitled in this age where a certain % of people don't want to work hard for things? They probably will but I hope they have some rare items for players to pursue, skill based and luck based.

People with this mentality need to have a stadium full of seats. This obsession with exclusivity has killed many MMOs in the past and will continue to do so as long as developers keep listening to neckbeards who believe 90-99% of players should be frozen out of accessing the best weapons.

[ToffeeCoffee]

People with this mentality need to have a stadium full of seats. This obsession with exclusivity has killed many MMOs in the past and will continue to do so as long as developers keep listening to neckbeards who believe 90-99% of players should be frozen out of accessing the best weapons.

What exclusivity? You can beat just about any content in the game using any gear/weapon (within reason of course, as long as you have enough accuracy to actually land hits).
The only thing players are frozen out of (and I doubt it's anywhere near 90-99%) is the capacity to enter and clear SCOB due to the lockout system. If you don't have a static, you have to take the low road and PUG or wait for it to be put in Duty Finder and get flogged with the nerf bat.

[Edli]

The challenge is in farming it until the desired loot drops; and you roll high enough to win it.

What I'm saying is that that's not a challenge, that's pure luck. There is no challenge in pulling a lever on the slot machine over and over again till you get three 7. You already proved you can win the fight. Maybe you can challenge yourself with another class or some strange party configuration with your FC. Fight it naked maybe?

I'm not against grind or luck on MMOs but I put a limit to what I can handle. To me 1 in 800 is just a ridiculous number.