Lockouts

[Ransu]

Granted I haven't reached the part of end game with lockout yet but my FC was talking about it and it just seemed strange to me. Why is it that a game that allows you to play anything and everything on a single toon have such strong restrictions at end game?I understand lockouts, that's not new to me, but in other MMO's when your main is locked out you gear alts. This game is kind of counter productive to roll alts since everything is on one toon. So shouldn't the lockouts be designed to lock out based on the job and not the entire toon? Instead of progressing your multiple rolls, you have to choose one....Not only that but it limits you to one group.

Example in swtor before I left that game we had our main progression group, but if other groups needed help I jumped onto an alt. Shouldn't that same option apply here? If I've been locked out on my main, that's fine, but if I have another job at 50 I can run on, should I not be allowed to go in?

Just seems silly to me and almost counter productive in terms of the armory design.

[Cynfael]

I'm really not sure what you're talking about. There's nothing at all preventing you from playing as whichever role you choose provided that you meet the ilvl requirement.

[TouchandFeel]

I believe he is talking about dungeon and gear weekly lockouts.

[Sapphic]

You can make an alt to run second coil twice. Many do. Also, if they have luck like ours, too much caster loot! XD then secondary jobs will start to gear up anyways. Not to forget with 2.3 adding more options for sands and oil, more HA pieces will be passed on due to having Sold BiS item.

[Ransu]

I'm really not sure what you're talking about. There's nothing at all preventing you from playing as whichever role you choose provided that you meet the ilvl requirement.

Erm....You know T6-9 have lockouts right? Once you clear you are locked out for the week. My point was that this game lets you play more than one role on a single toon. The game should have a lockout system separated per job, not just your toon as a whole.

You can make an alt to run second coil twice. Many do. Also, if they have luck like ours, too much caster loot! XD then secondary jobs will start to gear up anyways. Not to forget with 2.3 adding more options for sands and oil, more HA pieces will be passed on due to having Sold BiS item.

Alts are completely counter productive to the armoury system.

[Gamex]

I like his idea about being able to re-enter new coil as a different class i have often thought they should implement this. I dont like the idea for the fact that it would mean you just grind stuff out faster thus reducing your game goals quicker.

[Cynfael]

If he's a new player, he's a ways off of worrying about 2nd Coil lockouts, though. Most content doesn't work like that, and 2nd Coil will eventually be DF like 1st, I'm sure.

[Ransu]

I like his idea about being able to re-enter new coil as a different class i have often thought they should implement this. I dont like the idea for the fact that it would mean you just grind stuff out faster thus reducing your game goals quicker.

It's not really faster though...There are 8 battle classes to go through. Would you rather be able to grind gear for alts or just log in once a week to do your weekly and go back to doing something else?

[Ransu]

If he's a new player, he's a ways off of worrying about 2nd Coil lockouts, though. Most content doesn't work like that, and 2nd Coil will eventually be DF like 1st, I'm sure.

I'm new to this game, but I'm not new to MMO's. Generally I have 2-3 alts I gear depending on if I really like the game or not (I had 5 in swtor). If I was locked out on a toon I just logged into an alt and rolled into the raid with the alt. You can do that in FFXIV I guess, but with cross class abilities and the armoury system itself, the concept of having more than one toon is extremely counter productive.

[Yonko]

The problem with a lockout per job is that lots of the jobs play similar enough so you would just level a complementary class (WHM -> SCH, PLD -> WAR) and the only difference would be you would clear the content twice with a static group and gear your main that much faster.

As for jumping in and helping others. There are always others able to help out if you can't and you can still give them pointers (which I feel is better in the long run)